Talk:Kawal (food)

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 17:07, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that fermented leaves are used to make a meat substitute in Sudan called kawal? Source: https://www.jstor.org/stable/4254649
  • ALT1: ... that kawal is a high-protein meat substitute made from fermented leaves? Source: https://www.jstor.org/stable/4254649
  • ALT2: ... that kawal is a high-protein food created from fermented leaves, used as a meat substitute in Sudan? Source: https://www.jstor.org/stable/4254649
  • Reviewed: Not necessary as this is my third DYK nom
  • Comment: Not sure what wording works best

Created by Luiysia (talk). Self-nominated at 20:31, 1 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Kawal (food); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: There are a few instances where non-English words are set in roman type (i.e., sigda, shermute, zeer) that should be set in italics.
The main hook works the best, I think. It could be modified to say "high-protein meat substitute" like in the ALTs, but naming kawal towards the end of the hook reads better to be me. Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 17:36, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

• @Tcr25 and Luiysia: I am not seeing our sources call this a "substitute" for meat. I do see "meat extender" used once. Bruxton (talk) 15:43, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

  @Bruxton:. From the third reference, which is connected to the first mention of it as a substitute in the lede, Lawane et al. (2020): In the abstract It is also used as a meat or fish substitute. and in the text (p. 146) It is used as a substitute for meat, fish or appetizing in the sauce. —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 16:36, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

  @Tcr25 and Luiysia: please add the hook language to the article with a reference no later than the end of the sentence WP:DYKCRIT#3B. preferably in the body of the article. Bruxton (talk) 19:40, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

• @Bruxton: Done Luiysia (talk) 22:19, 10 August 2023

not done Needs to be cited in the body WP:DYKCRIT#3B not stated in the lead with no reference. Bruxton (talk) 05:11, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

@Bruxton: I'm confused. The first sentence was reordered to meet your request for the hook language to be more directly stated. There are three sources at the end of that sentence, supporting that 1) it's made from fermented leaves; 2) used as a meat substitute; and 3) comes from Sudan. The three sources also support the high protein content stated in the ALT hooks. Can you elaborate on what you see as missing? Is it because the hook is tied to the first sentence? —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 16:49, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

@Tcr25: Thank you for the message. I see it now. I was expecting it in the body. I see it was done with this edit by @Luiysia:. Ideally per MOS:LEADCITE we would introduce/summarize with the lead and cite in the body. But that is not a DYK issue. Bruxton (talk) 17:06, 11 August 2023 (UTC)