Talk:Kavurma

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Merger proposal

I propose that Qovurma be merged into Kavurma. I think that the content in the Qovurma article can easily be explained in the context of Kavurma, and the Kavurma article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Foo will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. --Phonet (talk) 03:04, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'd strongly oppose this for solid reasons. The reason I created separate articles for these is simply that there is no real evidence that there is any link between these families of dishes other than a (very distant) linguistic one, as the reference from Charles Perry, a writer who specialises both in Middle Eastern food, makes clear. He suggests that the root word was picked up at different times into various languages and then applied to a variety of families of dishes.

The Azeri qovurma is a lamb and herb or lamb and vegetable stew which has greatest similarities to the khoresh or ghormeh sabzi of Iran, and if merged anywhere should be merged there.
The kavurma in modern Turkey is a quite independent dish, referring to either a method of preserving meat a bit like pemmican and then used as a flavouring in other dishes or to a basic fried meat dish involving bits of meat and onion fried together rapidly, without added liquid. Not a stew. If you've ever had a Turkish lahmajoun with fried meat on it, well, that's often what they refer to as kavurma. It is obviously not a meat and vegetable stew.

Merging them based on a several hundred year old etymological root is like merging an Ulster Fry and Chicken fried steak with fritto misto because they both reference frying in the name, IMO.Svejk74 (talk) 12:57, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

PS, if you're going to copy your rationale from the page Wikipedia:Merging, at least take the trouble to edit "Foo" out, as it tends to suggest you haven't really considered your argument.Svejk74 (talk) 13:02, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – They appear to be distinct dishes. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:15, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Any etymologycal connection to shawarma?

That article offers "Shawarma is an Arabic rendering of Turkish çevirme [tʃeviɾˈme] 'turning', referring to the turning rotisserie." Arminden (talk) 20:26, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]