Talk:Kavala

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Kavala article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Cities

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Cities, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of cities, towns and various other settlements on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CitiesWikipedia:WikiProject CitiesTemplate:WikiProject CitiesWikiProject Cities articles

Greece Low‑importance

	Greece portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Greece, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Greece on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.GreeceWikipedia:WikiProject GreeceTemplate:WikiProject GreeceGreek articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Slavic Macedonian names are irrelevant east of the Struma

Kavala never had a significant Slavic-speaking population, and these were Bulgarians and never Slavic "Macedonians".

Slavomacedonian nationalists should stop editing to include their specific pronounciation of a Greek name. There has never been a significant Slavic Macedonian population east of the Struma/Strymonas river as almost all Slav speakers east of this river have always seen themselves as ethnic Bulgarians.

Please sign and add sources, Andreas 22:03, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish name

The Turkish name of the city is the same as the Greek name and therefore not an "alternative name". There is no need to include it in the lead paragraph. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names). Andreas ^(T) 15:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agree in this case. If these things are still a matter of edit wars, would somebody like to revive Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Greek and Turkish named places)? Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kavaliotaki user wrote:

Turkish names should be removed from all Greek cities in their English versions. Mainly this is an ill-purposed placement, Turkish language is unknown and irrelevant in Greece. Same for Bulgarian and Slavic Macedonian names.

etymology of the name

If any locals or whatever know what the place name means or where the name Kavala came from, I think it would be beneficial to put that info in the artcile. -66.82.9.81 (talk) 17:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And can anyone provide a source for saying that the Kabbalah etymology has ever been suggested? To me it seems too stupid to be credible. --Sir Myles na Gopaleen (the da) (talk) 16:01, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Aqueduct

The photo caption for the aqueduct calls it a Roman aqueduct, but the article states an aqueduct was built in the 16th century, in the Ottoman era. Is there more than one aqueduct? Peter T —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ptunes (talk • contribs) 08:07, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As I corrected it in the article, the aqueduct of Kavala was first built between 1st - 6th century in my opinion it is a work done by the byzantine emperor Justinian I, there are clear archaeological evidence in its masonry about this time. Later, when Ibrahim refounded the city at the begining of the 16th century, he reconstructed its aqueduct as well, giving it its nowadays form. Xristoupolitis (talk) 19:59, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Batis Beach.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion

An image used in this article, File:Batis Beach.jpg, has been nominated for speedy deletion at Wikimedia Commons for the following reason: Copyright violations

What should I do?

Speedy deletions at commons tend to take longer than they do on Wikipedia, so there is no rush to respond. If you feel the deletion can be contested then please do so (commons:COM:SPEEDY has further information). Otherwise consider finding a replacement image before deletion occurs.

A further notification will be placed when/if the image is deleted. This notification is provided by a Bot, currently under trial --CommonsNotification (talk) 12:34, 6 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

File:Batis Beach.jpg Deleted

	An image used in this article, File:Batis Beach.jpg, has been deleted from Wikimedia Commons by Túrelio for the following reason: Copyright violation: http://www.e-camping.gr/portal/el/macedonia/kavala-serres-drama/287-batis-beach What should I do?
	A different bot should have (or will soon) remove the image code from the article text (check if this has been done correctly). If you think the image deletion was in error please raise the issue at Commons. You could also try to search for new images to replace the old one. This notification is provided by a Bot, currently under trial --CommonsNotification (talk) 12:51, 6 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Numerous issues with references

In the history section in particular, I notice a distinct lack of references. For example, the article mentions a "Life of St. Gregorios Dekapolitis", for which I can find no information on the web aside from websites that use the Wikipedia text verbatim. Also, there are numerous external link citations that are "hard-coded" into the article, rather than using inline citations; most of these link to a domain rather than the specific page where the referenced information can be found. If I find time, I may attempt to address some of these issues. For now I have just added the templates. Wilford Nusser (talk) 00:58, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on Kavala. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 10:15, 3 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on Kavala. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 12:19, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Unhistorical references about bulgarian control of Christoupolis

As a local historian, born in Kavala, I corrected the unhistorical references of Atanas88, who wrote that Bulgarians captured and held Christoupolis from 834 till 1197! There is not a single historical reference in the medieval sources, greek or slavic, that the Bulgarians ever managed to take control over the city even for a short period of time during the medieval era. On the contrary, as I wrote in the article, it was the Ceasar Alexius Moshelie, brother in law of the byzantine emperor Theophilus, who used Christoupolis as a stronghold to stop the bulgarian raids in the plain of Philippoi in 837. Moreover, 3 greek inscriptions, one in situ in the defensive wall of the city and two others in the archaeological museum of Kavala, dating in 830 - 840, 926 and 1193, very clearly point out that the city was continually under greek control, despite its destruction probably by the Normand raiders in 1185. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xristoupolitis (talk • contribs) 09:58, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unacceptable claims about the references for the second bulgarian occupation of Kavala (1916 - 1918)

In 14 March 2020, 18:16, user 73.223.5.160 wrote: "This article is full of racist/ethnicist misinformation and vandalism with no references provided for claims. It also has too many orthographic errors to be written by an English speaker. Needs major fix". As I also wrote in the "edit summary" section, it is fully unacceptable to state that the information about the well known second bulgarian occupation of Kavala (1916 - 1918) and its consequences to the local greek orthodox community is "vandalism" (!) or "racist/ethnicist" (!). These are historical facts and the reference was made by me, as a local historian, based exactly in the detailed publication of the research made by the post war inder-allied interrogatory committee, which finally gave its report in 21 April 1919 (in french), as exactly I mention in the article. Moreover, in the bibliography section, is mentioned the modern publication of this research, in Greek translation: "Roudometof Nikolaos (ed.), Notebooks of Bulgarian Occupation. Eastern Macedonia 1916–1918. v. 1, Kavala – Chrisoupoli – Eleutheroupoli, Kavala: Historical & Literary Archive of Kavala (in Greek)" - ISBN 978-960-88804-9-8,  see also https://www.ilak.org/index.php?p=5&lang=en. Just because there is a lack of an english edition about the second bulgarian occupation in Kavala during the First World War or maybe even worse a lack of knowledge about it in the western public doesn't mean that these facts, the ethnic cleansing against the local greek - orthodox community, never happened. I strongly believe that this is exactly the role of wikipedia, to enlight the world public about hidden pages in world history and in this aspect the contribution of  local historians is critical.

Xristoupolitis (talk) 00:57, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Notable figures section addition removed with reasoning "he wasn't born in Kavala"; there are already several people there who weren't born in Kavala

A few days ago I added FORG1VEN to the notable figures section. My edit was reverted with the reasoning "he wasn't born in Kavala". However, this reasoning is at odds with the current state of the page. There are currently several people listed in the page's notable figures section that were not born in Kavala.

One category is the people who were born in nearby villages/towns rather than in Kavala itself: Vasilis Karras, Kostas Mitroglou, Christos Terzanidis, Theodoros Zagorakis. The other category is people who weren't born anywhere near Kavala: Dimitrios Partsalidis, Sofoklis Schortsanitis, Despina Vandi.

There should be consistency. It must be decided that only people who were born in Kavala will be included, or people associated mainly with Kavala will also be included. I think the latter makes more sense, as place of birth by itself isn't necessarily indicate of which location someone is associated with, as evidenced with the examples above.

--Ρήγας (talk) 16:13, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

FORG1VEN wasn't born in the town of Kavala, nor in the broader homonymous municipality or regional unit; he was born in Prosotsani, located in the adjacent regional unit of Drama. Having said that, it's not an absolute requirement for the individual to have been born in Kavala, but he must be strongly associated with it. If he is, then i pose no objection for his inclusion in the list; per WP:LISTBIO and WP:SOURCELIST. Demetrios1993 (talk) 08:27, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

By virtue of having lived in Kavala for most of his life, as well him associating himself with Kavala first and foremost, I am certain he should be included. --Ρήγας (talk) 09:51, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

deletion of the so called "slavic name of Kavala"

I had to delete the reference of the "slavic name of Kavala" as Moronets (!) because historical research made by Theocharidis ("Μορουνατς, το δήθεν σλαβικό όνομα της Καβάλας", Μακεδονικά 6, 1965, pp. 75-89) has proven that the place name Morounets which is mentioned in a slavic Evangelion in Cheladari Monastery in 1347 is not refering to Christoupolis (Kavala), but to a place north - east from the city, mentioned as "Bishopric Morenos" in a letter of Pope Innocentius III to the Latin Bishop of Philippoi William in 1212, after the sack of Constantinople by the crusaders in 1204. On a map of the territory in 1922 a village under the name Μορέν - Moren - is recorded exactly North - East from the city of Kavala, so it preserved precisely the name of the medieval latin Bishopric. The name Morenos derived from the Moreni from the coastline of the Flanders, who, as crusaders, followed the 4th crusade and established also in the territory of Christoupolis. So there is no slavic routes or etymology to Morounets, the word had latin origins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xristoupolitis (talk • contribs) 20:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]