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Joke

Just curious, is the 'which he did' closing line on this article really appropriate? It seems like the subject matter doesn't warrant the joke.

If it was accurate that he really died the next day, I'm sorry that got deleted. It doesn't have to be a joke if it's encyclopedic content. --181.26.25.251 (talk) 10:30, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not Twins

They were not siamese twins and therefore deserve separate articles. Siim 20:05, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

True they were not "twins" but they were married, worked together and complimented each others work. Maurice is on record as saying that "It is the geology that brought us together love followed." They considered each other to be important for the others work without Katia Maurice could not have done his work and without Maurice Katia could not have done hers. They co-authored their work and used their own photographs. They lived, breathed and worked together as geologists / volcanologist and sadly died together.The Geologist (talk) 16:09, 26 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why would siamese twins not deserve separate articles? --181.26.25.251 (talk) 10:31, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Interwikis (especially et:Maurice Krafft)

Here is problem with interwiki links. Links to Katia Krafft or Maurice Krafft should be removed because this article is about both of them. Best solution would be to make two separate articles. Siim 22:30, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But as long as there is only one, all the interwikis should remain. Maybe there will never be two separate articles anyway ! RCS 07:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You are probably newcomer and have no idea how wikipedia is functioning. Interwiki links are made only when articles are about same thing. I don't want to revert your vandalist acts in Estonian wikipedia. I really hope that you are able to understand. Siim 09:20, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, i'm no newcomer, here is my card. Calling me a vandal is a bit harsh coming from a guy who deletes randomly like you do. I think you need a good rest and to stay away from this or any article for a while. RCS 09:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have to remind you that you were first to call me a vandal. All I was doing was improving wikipedia by removing irrelevant links. Be polite. Siim 09:26, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing irrelevant in linking an article about both Maurice and Katia (the japanese is done likewise) to an article about Maurice when an article about Katia does not exist yet. Do you understand ? RCS 09:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, I don't. Give me a link to wikipedia rules which says so. At least in Estonian wikipedia such linking is not allowed and mainly because bots can't do proper job anymore. Siim 09:34, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The French, the Polish, the German, and now the Estonian wiki as well have separate articles about Maurice and Katia. Better create separate articles here, or the links will be a mess. Andres 10:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Would you mind telling the Japanese as well ? RCS 10:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Considering the fact that they were a husband and wife team, I think its very appropriate to have them together. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.108.7.22 (talk) 20:25, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is more reasonable to have them together as you never talk about one without the other, but either way, all the different languages should have either one or both because if some do and some don't, the links will be a mess. --The High Fin Sperm Whale (talk) 22:42, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Remove {{unreferenced}}

Hi,

I added the website Image de volcans were there is a biography of the Kraffts. The site is made by the Conservatoire régional de l'image, sponsored by the city of Nancy, departement of Meurthe-et-Moselle and the region of Lorraine. So it's not a fansite or what else. It's a serious source. So I decided to remove the tag {{unreferenced}}. If anyone thinks it's not enough, feel free to revert this modification. Martin1813 08:07, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But an external link is not the same as a reference. The external link you added is fine, but it doesn't mean that the article has references. So I am therefore putting it back. --The High Fin Sperm Whale (talk) 23:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed merge of Katia Krafft into Katia and Maurice Krafft

Sources appear to almost entirely talk about Katia and Maurice together, rather than Katia on her own. Ionmars10 (talk) 15:51, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. This is essentially reversing a copy-paste edit, with nothing by padding added by a student editor with an (almost) single-purpose account; perhaps as part of a broader project to create pages for women scientists. A noble aim, but this one wasn't appropriate.

Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 18:51, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, belated support, ref Talk:Katia_Krafft#Move to Draft ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 11:04, 3 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

New film

“Fire of Love”, an excellent documentary based on Krafft footage, premiered at the 2022 Sundance Film Festival (see their site). I’m not competent to add a reference, I hope someone will.

Dan Milton — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.66.58.49 (talk) 01:15, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Four of us watched the documentary Fire of Love two nights ago. It gives equal time to both Kraffts, unlike this article which focuses largely on Katia.

One glaring instance of this is that in the documentary it is Maurice and someone else that go out in a rubber raft on a highly acidic lake while Katia is shown as on the shore and being very angry that the two would do anything that dangerous. This article claims that it was Katia who went out in the boat, with no mention of Maurice.

The absence of sources is also disturbing. Wikipedia does not allow sourcing itself, which is not a problem when what you want to source is itself RS from elsewhere since that is what you should source, regardless of whether you're a Wikipedia editor or someone else wanting to source something you find in Wikipedia. Quoting from unsourced Wikipedia content has a bad tendency to land in the world's giant echo chamber, which others then feel free to use as a non-Wikipedia source. Vaughan Pratt (talk) 01:57, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Another thing that I noticed is that this article provides a firm description of their first meeting, whereas the film emphasises that there are a number of different stories. I nearly made this edit but wasn't sure if citing films was permissable. EggFriedSagan (talk) 21:29, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, everyone, unsure if you will see my reply but wanted to say thanks for expressing your concerns. I am hoping to heavily revamp and expand this article in the coming months, and I will keep all of your comments in mind. I have some experience writing featured articles related to famous volcanologists (see David A. Johnston, Harry Glicken, Barry Voight) and would love for the Kraffts to have a high-quality article that fully reflects their contributions to science. ceranthor 19:07, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]