Talk:Katherine Karađorđević

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Crown princess of Yugoslavia??? That's not truth. There is no Yugoslavia or its monarchy anymore. After ww2 King Peter II abdicated of the throne! His son was married with princess, but then divorced, so he have no right to be crown prince anymore. His son yes, but he and his comon citizen wife NO! She is just ordinary greek woman not some "princess" , thats stupid. Real serbian royalty are Obrenovic family. members. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.222.34.84 (talk) 19:25, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not even her courtesy title is "Crown Princess"

Her courtesy (and only courtesy, i.e. of no legal standing) title is princess Katherine, not "crown princess". Check Alexander Karageorgevitch (the claimant to the throne of long defunct Yugoslavia)'s web page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.41.252.230 (talk) 09:50, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Karl Oblique:, your move of the article from Katherine, Crown Princess of Yugoslavia to Katherine Karađorđević looks wrong, because it appears that we normally use courtesy titles for deposed royalty and their families, and because royalty are not normally known by their surname. Most of the sources cited in the article are from royalfamily.org, which refer to her as 'Crown Princess Katherine'[1], but I am unsure whether this is an independant reliable source. If 'Crown Princess' is not her courtesy title then I suggest either Princess Katherine of Yugoslavia or Katherine, Princess of Yugoslavia. Verbcatcher (talk) 14:02, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have mentioned this discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Royalty and Nobility#Page move: Katherine, Crown Princess of Yugoslavia to Katherine Karađorđević. Verbcatcher (talk) 14:24, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"we normally use courtesy titles for deposed royalty and their families" - this is an oversimplification, we don't always. But more to the point, Katherine is not deposed royalty: she never had a title from a recognized government, which is generally a good cutoff. The Kingdom of Yugoslavia was deposed in 1941 and not restored, and the Yugoslav royalists were busy with fighting a civil war in 1943 against the Partisans, not giving honors to some kid born in exile. Basically, deposed royalty can be referred to by their title not really for their time deposed, but the time they spent actually having recognized power; this isn't true for Katherine (nor for many, many other bloodlines of fallen nobility - we're not going to call Napoleon's great great grandkids "Emperor of France"). Also, any royal bloodlines tracking website is suspect, since their main interest is solely in titles and the like, rather than the person themselves. Move looks solid to me. SnowFire (talk) 18:31, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed 100% with SnowFire. This was the right move. JoelleJay (talk) 01:11, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comments. I am happy for the new article title to stay. Verbcatcher (talk) 18:41, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Karl Oblique, SnowFire, and JoelleJay: you may not have noticed that the page move has been reverted. There was no discussion here, although there was an exchange at User talk:Marija Marijanovic. I would support a move back to to Katherine Karađorđević. There have also been various unsourced additions and uses of 'Crown Princess' that conflict with MOS:HONORIFIC – I may address these when I have time. Verbcatcher (talk) 00:23, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I moved it back. Move protection might be necessary to prevent further vandalism. JoelleJay (talk) 00:52, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish?

She should not be included in the category of Jewish royalty until proven otherwise. MosheEmes (talk) 21:07, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed Category:Romaniote Jews, which was unsourced. Verbcatcher (talk) 14:08, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]