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A fact from Kate Vaughan appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 21 October 2014 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Kate Vaughan (pictured), who developed the skirt dance, was considered the greatest dancer of her time?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2014/October. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Kate Vaughan.

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Queries

1. The ODNB article confirms the names of Vaughan's other Gaiety co-stars, but not Stanley. From the archives of The Times it appears that Stanley starred mostly at the Olympia in this period, and I can find no mention of her appearing at the Gaiety. Is there a reliable source that says she did so? I've commented Stanley out pro tem.
2. What is the source of the statement that Vaughan was born in Toronto? The ODNB article states that she was born in London. I have left beefing up the lead until this point is cleared up.
3. I have replaced the info-box (which needlessly duplicated info already on the page) with two new pictures, for which there wasn't room on the page while the box was there. Is that OK?
4. If we can't quote a source for her place of burial, can we just remove the sentence?

That's my lot for now Tim riley talk 13:36, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Victuallers, thanks for starting this article. Good job, also, Tim riley. As to your queries: (1) Alma Stanley's article says "In 1876 Stanley became a cast member at the Gaiety Theatre..." This confirms that statement, but it does not appear that she was an important or longstanding member of the troupe; I'd delete the reference to her. (2) Oops! I beefed up the Lead before reading this. (3)Replacement of Infobox with images: Yes, good idea! If Victuallers cannot answer your questions (2) and (4), I'd go with the ODNB and removing unreferenced material. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:19, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

i kinda prefer the infobox, with the second picture on the left, and any additional pics are in the commons category, but then i'm a well know meat-puppet for user:Pigsonthewing (hands across the water). 216.216.68.69 (talk) 19:57, 8 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Candelon vs Candelin; Toronto?

Some sources give her name as Candelon. See Wikisource DNB 1912 Supp. The article cites: Daily Telegraph. 24 Feb. 1903. It also states that she was born in London. Aa77zz (talk) 21:47, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Both points now addressed. If evidence turns up from a reliable source that the place of birth was indeed Toronto we can change back simply enough. Tim riley talk 09:23, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've remove "Canadian-born" from the lead. The first para of the lead needs tweaking - too much dance - and she was a also a successful actor/actress. Aa77zz (talk) 10:38, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. The Lead now clarifies that she was also known as an actress, and I think the balance there between dancing and acting is about right now. -- Ssilvers (talk) 13:54, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Victuallers:, can you recall where you got the Toronto statement? I see the German WP article also mentions it, and it would be as well to get the point right. (I see a charming story in the German article about Burne-Jones and Ruskin, of all unlikely people! Jupp refers to it, but I'd be disinclined to include it: a bit tangential, perhaps. But happy to go with the consensus, natch.) Tim riley talk 14:48, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tim: User:Jack1956 could probably track down a birth or census record for her? -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:21, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Toronto fact came from the de:wiki and I used it knowing? that we would find a supporting source. As we havent and I have looked and failed to find one then I'm happy that we have dropped this as it is unlikely.Victuallers (talk) 16:43, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Right ho. Perhaps we must leave it there for now, but something for the back burner perhaps? Tim riley talk 16:55, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Facts in German article on Vaughan

The German article contains a lot of info that we don't have here, including the following:

She studied classical dance and drama at the Grecian Theatre in London. [I see that there was such a house in Shoreditch]
At the 1873 production of Orpheus "they [who?] introduced the Skirt Dance for the first time in London's Holborn Royal Amphitheatre
In 1876, in addition to the Gaiety, she was hired by the Théâtre des Variétés.
The English writer John Ruskin and Edward Burne-Jones were among her admirers. The latter dubbed her(?) Miriam Ariadne Salome Vaughan.
- If my rusty schoolboy German is not awry that four-name phrase was B-J's admiring nickname for her. St. Johnston, p. 171, confirms this pretty much verbatim.
The burlesques in which she danced included The Forty Thieves (1880 - [by Reece?]) and Young Fra Diavolo.

The German article cites only this: Brygida M. Ochaim, Claudia Balk: Varieté-Tänzerinnen um 1900. Vom Sinnenrausch zur Tanzmoderne, Ausstellung des Deutschen Theatermuseums München 23.10.1998–17.1.1999., Stroemfeld, Frankfurt/M. 1998, ISBN 3-87877-745-0 Can anyone chase any of this down? -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:15, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The British Library has a copy, but (see above) I in German anything but fluent am, and I'd have to be looking for something very specific to have a reasonable hope of finding it. Tim riley talk 16:19, 11 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]