Talk:Kate's Cottage, Isle of Man
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[edit]Internet article which first posting on article dates from 2013 plagiarised from Wikipedia article which dates from 2009. Editor not understand difference between articles between plagiarised and issues of plagiarism agljones(talk)20:48, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
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from the article. It appears to be adapted from https://daleymathison.wordpress.com/a-story-about-kates-cottage/ by a combination of too close paraphrasing, i.e. plagiarizing, and introduced errors/typos (perhaps to avoid detection by plagiarism-detection programs). The article has precious little about its title topic. The source should be used, but without plagiarizing, and with proper attribution. The source includes intro by Daley Mathison and also a full copy of a well-written 1982 newspaper article. --doncram 15:58, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
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[edit]- The article fails to say up front what Kate's Cottage is. Instead of saying first where it is located, could it be defined, first? It looks like a very solid house, not what manner readers would think of as a "cottage".
- Is Kate's Cottage a named corner? It's certainly a landmark on the course, but the title doesn't sound like it is considered to be a corner. If it is to be considered a corner, could that be documented?
- The article is named "Kate's Cottage" but goes on about "Keppel Gate", as an area that includes it, and I'm afraid it being an area might be a construction in Wikipedia, not in sources, like Windy Corner seemed to have been. From what I've absorbed, I understand Kate's Cottage to be the house, and that there was a sheep gate across the track there (depicted in early photo), and that there was also another gate nearby named Keppel Gate. Why not go with that"? Or make a separate article about Keppel Gate, or move this one to Keppel Gate and reduce Kate's Cottage to being a section. The current article's presentation doesn't make sense to me.--doncram 23:55, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Kate's Cottage is a very small building. Photograph shows front of cottage and gable-end to road and makes it look larger. Photo not meeting Wikipedia standards of clarity and poor compositional elements with ambiguous design elements. Article not "constructed from sources" and listed in Isle of Man TT Guide 2006 page 57 as "Kate's Cottage". The cottage at "Kate's Cottage" like Brandywell has sheep folds and Shepherd Hut. There was a number of "Shepherds Huts" on the A18 Snaefell Mountain Road including Keppel Gate, Brandywell, Mountain Box, Black Hut, Bungalow Bridge and also the WINDY CORNER..... There is a pre-existing article about "Keppel Gate" and it is a matter of consistency and the articles fit together like a "jigsaw puzzle" as quoted by another editor. These articles are careful constructed to provided a standardised template which runs through all the articles and do not change without consensus. agljones(talk)21:09, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
notice about related discussion at Talk:Registered Buildings of the Isle of Man
[edit]I think every editor who has ever edited here on this page is aware of it already, but FYI there is a discussion ongoing at Talk:Registered Buildings of the Isle of Man#Request for comments on Kate's Cottage coverage, which relates to coverage about Kate's Cottage in that article and here. If a consensus is reached there establishing certain facts, those will naturally be applied in edits to this article, too. If you wanna object to emerging consensus there, speak there. --Doncram (talk) 21:22, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
age of cottage statement
[edit]I modified the lede to now state "It has been asserted in the Isle of Man's program of Registered Buildings that the cottage was built by 1869." with source. This is undisputably true. An editor has argued with no sources in edit summaries about the age of the cottage, which just doesn't help at all. State your business, provide sources here, if you wish to make any dispute. But it is a true fact that the government program's document states that the cottage was built by 1869, whether or not the cottage is that old. --Doncram (talk) 23:45, 4 April 2021 (UTC)