Talk:Karma Lingpa

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--Klimov (talk) 16:52, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

POV problems

The whole article seems to be written from a believing Buddhist perspective, violating WP:POV. There is no scientific evidence whatsoever for reincarnation, so the repeated claims that he was a reincarnation are not possible to make. Moreover, the sources used does not seem to satisfy WP:RS.Jeppiz (talk) 02:18, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jeppiz: I understand your comments and, in a way, I agree with them. However, it would be a very major job indeed if we were to attempt to rid WP of all references to claims lacking scientific proof. And this would put a huge responsibility on WP editors to decide what is acceptable as "scientific proof", and which of several competing scientific theories are to be accepted in a particular case. Many if not most articles on religious subjects write as if things spoken about within the particular tradition are true (or, at least, accepted). To check my hunch on this matter I went to the first article on a Christian saint I could think of - Saint Paul and almost immediately noticed the phrase: "He performed numerous miracles, . . ." Now, hopefully the reader will be able to discern that the author is not necessarily claiming that St. Paul actually performed miracles but that it is understood that, within the tradition, St. Paul is considered to have performed miracles. Just a few thoughts off the top of my head. Cheers. John Hill (talk) 02:52, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi John Hill. I agree, that is completely out of place in the article about Paul and should be removed. As you say, I'm sure there are many other cases apart from Paul and Karma Lingpa. But we know that other stuff exists but that this is never a reason not to improve the article, so I'd say we should improve any article we come across. (In that spirit, I'll go Paul right away).Jeppiz (talk) 18:55, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This would, I imagine, be a problem with many of the semi-historical figures of Tibetan Buddhism. This article as it currently reads is indeed heavily slanted towards the hagiographic. However, I believe there must be more balanced, scholarly (and therefore, hopefully neutral) accounts of Karma Lingpa and others in the Tibetan traditions that could be used to give an account more in line with WP's policies on NPOV, Biographical, etc. It's just a matter of finding them and using them. 108.7.201.112 (talk) 15:18, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to me that all these articles need is a preface to the effect of "Tibetan tradition holds that" or "Tibetans commonly believe that", though the latter would lack rigorous evidence. That sort of framing is generally all that's needed IMO. Joechip123 (talk) 23:28, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Jeppiz

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