Talk:Karen (name)

Removed

Removed the following from main article due to inconsistencies:

"Karen was also the name of an ancient Persian commander who killed Marcos Crasus and won his army in a battle in B.C.53. His head was thrown under the feet of the Armenian King Artavazd & Parthian King Zorhasp's feet at the time of Evklides "Baxoses" drama in Theatre Artaxiad Armenia."

However, per Persian Empire article "the Parthian General Surena defeated Marcus Licinius Crassus of Rome" and "Karen-Pahlav Clan" was a clan governing one of the provinces. KarenJo90 19:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

its apparently a conflation of two distinct events. Marcus Crassus invaded Arsacid-occupied territory with the support of the Armenians, who were a vassal state of the Arsacid Parthians. Orodes II responded by sending one army to counter Crassus, and another to punish the Armenians. The one army that fought Crassus at the Battle of Carrhae was under the command of a member of the feudal House of Suren. The other army - the one sent to punish the Armenians - was under the command of a member of the feudal House of Karen.

none of the participants I just named was a "Persian" and the Persian Empire article is a load of bull.

-- Fullstop 23:15, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ps: I just converted Karen (name) to a {{hndis}} (human-name disambig). Hope that was ok.

The part that said Karen comes from Karekin, cited to behindthename.com, which is not a reliable source, was deleted. Karekin, Karapet, and Karen are different names. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.56.202.90 (talk) 10:39, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Female Name

The name derivates from Karine and Katherine both female names, and it is not a male variant of a female name. Just because there are some guys names Karen the name does not turn into a gender neutral name, for example Anne Rice was named Stanley so was Barack Obama's mom, and Stanley stills a male given name. I'm changing it to female since it is a female name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.248.40.184 (talk) 20:11, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

Can anyone explain why
a) this article is tagged with {{Unsourced}})?
b) the normal procedure of tagging questionable sentences with {{cn}} (or similar) is not used?
-- Fullstop 23:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article provides no sources for any of its statements, obviously. Valrith 23:26, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ahem. "any of its statements?," like "Karen is a female given name," or do you mean specific statements that you consider needing a citation? -- Fullstop 23:34, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, "any" of its statements. The list of names likely doesn't need citing, but everything in the opening paragraph does. Valrith 23:41, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

redirect/disambiguate

the page is the prime source for "Karen" where the name is far from the most important or most universal, the Myanmar ethnic group would be here instead, or at the very least a disambiguate page.Lihaas (talk) 10:27, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agreement from me. The page for "Matthew" goes to a disambiguation page, even though it's a really good name! Thus should Karen. Personally, I was looking for the Karen people. I'll see if I can change it all. Not sure how at present, but I'm sure I'll figger it out.Menswear (talk) 17:19, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The given name should be Karen (given name) and Karen should either point to the disambiguation name or the name for the ethnic group. μηδείς (talk) 04:08, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

also

also a Japanese name, written 可憐 213.249.135.36 (talk) 21:16, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As a meme

Here's a proposed addition to the English, Europe & Scandinavia section:

During the late 2010s, the name "Karen" was used as a synonym for "Becky", to refer to a busybody middle-aged woman making formal complaints about minor activities.^[1]^[2]

Deepred6502 (talk) 03:03, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Amelia Tait (2018-01-24). "Karen, Sharon, Becky, and Chad: How it feels when your name becomes a meme". New Statesman.
^ Lana Andelane (2019-05-30). "'Karen': How one meme ruined a mother's favourite baby name". Newshub.

The section titled "Asian People" with the name should be re-titled to "East Asian people" with the name.

The section only lists people from East Asia. And the earlier half of the article states that the name has an etymology in East Asia as well.

But Armenia is in (West) Asia too. You might as well just add them to the Asia section as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shatter Sky (talk • contribs) 19:50, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reorganizing the sections on the page

I want to re-organize the sections on the page. Like so

Such changes include compressing the various origins of the name to an "Etymology" section.

Then I think we should add separate Female/Male subsections in the "Notable people" section and within the "Female" sub-section, add a subsection within that one to add all the "East Asian people" with the name (they're all women anyways).

Then just add a "Male" subsection because several of those "Armenian Men" are Russians nationality wise (but of Armenian origin). Then a "surname" sub-section for everyone with the surname, because the one person in the "Armenian Men" section whose surname was "Karen" is Zarmihr Karen who wasn't Armenian, but Iranian.

Then I would like to move around people to their proper sections.Karen Kong is Malaysian (but of Chinese origin). Malaysia is in Southeast Asia, not East Asia. Karen Mok is from Hong Kong, which is in East Asia but she's included in that section for some reason. And I mean, Karen Chen and Karen Chin are Americans of East Asian ancestry but aren't included the "East Asian people" section because they're Americans so... Clear Looking Glass (talk) 06:30, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I do not think that’s an improvement or a decluttering. The sequence you propose “female, Malaysian people, male, surname” is arbitrary. You also lump fictional and nonfictional names together, which isn’t helpful. If you find errors on the page, you are, of course, more than welcome to correct them. Kleuske (talk) 10:25, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unrelated names

Why are there multiple unrelated names in the same article? Shouldn't they be separated into different pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malcolmmwa (talk • contribs) 18:25, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Amelia Tait (2018-01-24). "Karen, Sharon, Becky, and Chad: How it feels when your name becomes a meme". New Statesman.

[2] Lana Andelane (2019-05-30). "'Karen': How one meme ruined a mother's favourite baby name". Newshub.

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