Talk:Karas (anime)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Cirt (talk · contribs) 03:27, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I will review this article. — Cirt (talk) 03:27, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

File:Karas box cover.jpg -- fair use asserted, but please strengthen fair-use-rationale on image page, better example of point-by-point argumentation at File:BenoistSupergirl.jpg.
File:Karas Shinjuku Night.jpg -- fair use asserted, but please strengthen fair-use-rationale on image page, better example of point-by-point argumentation at File:BenoistSupergirl.jpg.
File:Karas Fight 1.jpg -- fair use asserted, but please strengthen fair-use-rationale on image page, better example of point-by-point argumentation at File:BenoistSupergirl.jpg.
File:Karas spirits.jpg -- fair use asserted, but please strengthen fair-use-rationale on image page, better example of point-by-point argumentation at File:BenoistSupergirl.jpg.
File:Karas concept.jpg -- fair use asserted, but please strengthen fair-use-rationale on image page, better example of point-by-point argumentation at File:BenoistSupergirl.jpg.
File:Karas Nue CG.jpg -- fair use asserted, but please strengthen fair-use-rationale on image page, better example of point-by-point argumentation at File:BenoistSupergirl.jpg.
File:Praha Old Town sq from Minuta.JPG -- image hosted on Wikimedia Commons, image checks out there okay based on my assessment there, Y.

Six (6) images, above, could benefit from stronger fair use rationale argumentation in a numbered point-by-point list, as noted, above. — Cirt (talk) 13:28, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'll give it a look tomorrow (here it's 22:47). Thanks, Cirt! Gabriel Yuji (talk) 01:47, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, no worries, — Cirt (talk) 02:09, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Removed #2, #4 and #6 images as I felt there were an excessive number of images and these did not have a clear defined purpose. Updated the others rationale. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 17:05, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cirt? Gabriel Yuji (talk) 20:31, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like Cirt hasn't edited in a couple months, so I'll put it back in the queue. If he returns he can always undo this and resume. Wizardman 16:47, 1 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Review Jan 2016

This is my first time giving comments on a GAN of an article which I wasn't involved in, so I'll make this quick. I see that the fair use rationales of each of the above images is asserted, but I feel that there may be a bit too many images in the article (I'm not exactly sure if the image in the reception section is necessary, although the one in the development section is fine). Meanwhile, the references issue that was mentioned in the first GAN from 2008(!), where certain references to the DVD booklets merely state that the information is from the DVDs, when in fact (as mentioned in the aforementioned GAN) they are from the booklets which come with the DVD. Thus, there is an inconsistency with citation styles, which is fine for maybe B-class articles and below but can be a bit jarring for a GA. For the themes section, it isn't clear what "volumes" are being cited: do they refer to the DVDs, or to the booklets? The MOS issues from the previous GAN appear to have been resolved, at least, and the production section has its information cited. Meanwhile, some references have Japanese text in them (for example: "Karas Vol. 6 (説六), 祕初期企畫書, pp. 11–12."). Could these be properly translated or at least have some sort of translation in them? For now, I'm not going to either pass or fail the article, but right now, unless this issues are resolved, I would tentatively fail this. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:06, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My review. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 00:07, 29 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Issues

WP:CAPS Karas in lead.
"They turned to technology and become" Tense disagreement. Became
First paragraph of themes could use reference enclosure for first sentence and last sentence.
"This theme implies a vibrant city requires a healthy mix of technology and culture." Whose opinion is this. Did the author state this? This sounds like O.R. due to the "implies" and could use confirmation.
Ref enclosure, second paragraph production
Replace pound with No in media information
Leading zeros in media information
Ref 2 and 11 led me to the same place. What?
2 Sentence paragraph about music in the reception. Might consider some restructuring for the overall reception.

Suggestions

Plot section is too long and detailed. There are moments that are providing play by plays.
Ref 8, proware, and DVD talks need updated links. Prowares name changed so that requires an update as well. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 00:07, 29 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for not seeing it before and thanks Narutolovehinata5 and DragonZero!

To Narutolovehinata5: I read the 2008 review and I think Jappalang is correct. The reference is both to the DVD itself and the booklet. When it has a page number it's referring to the booklet; when not, it's the DVD itself: "Each volume of Karas has a DVD and a booklet (説X). The references with page numbers are not DVD references but booklet references. For the DVDs, each has special programs, such as "The Making of Karas", "Project K", and interviews." Also, the difference is clearly marked by "(DVD)" or "(説)". I'm not sure it's mandatory to translate references titles and maybe Jappalang had some reason to not doing it.

To DragonZero:

Not required for WP:GACR and it's only used in the context of its Japanese reading.
Done.
Done.
I would need Jappalang to answer it.
Done.
Done.
No; although the title is the same they are different (check it out [1], [2]): different authors, different dates, and even different products.
I see what you mean but I think it's a perfect valid format to have a topic-by-topic discussion on its production values.
I've tried to shorten it a bit. Give me your impressions.
Done. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 19:33, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It could be better but it's probably good enough for GA. My standing issues are the caps with KARAS, long plot, and reception structure but that can be addressed or enforced by someone who really cares. Naruto can take the lead on this GAN and choose to continue to pursue the issues or close this as a promotion. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 23:16, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Gabriel Yuji: DragonZero raised some issues above, so for now this GA could probably be put on hold until the said issues are fixed. Once those are resolved this should be good to go. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 12:40, 18 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I really tried my best with the plot. The caps and the reception are not problems at all. I mean, not within WP:GA? standard. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 01:52, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I took another look at the article. This should be good for a pass. Congratulations Gabriel Yuji. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:27, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fine. All the congratulations go to Jappalang though. I only felt he, the article and A&M deserved it. Thanks, Narutolovehinata5 and DragonZero! Gabriel Yuji (talk) 16:37, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]