Talk:Kappa Alpha Psi/Archive 1

I am not a member, but I did provide some copyedit and the footnotes so other contributors will know how to cite information. Here are some other observations that I hesitated to copyedit before mentioning it:

The first paragraph states something like "only one in existence west of App Mountains". It's important that the contributor mention some of the fraternities which were started and then became defunct, so that this can be verified. The names need not be in the lead paragraph, but a sentence or paragraph in the main article should be devoted to prove this point.
The paragraph regarding Kappa Kanes contains a lot of flowery language ond hyperbole, like "the most enduring or endearing". This is an encyclopedia and the text should be a NPOV (neutral point of view). Also, the sentence appears to be somewhat misleading; How can this be an enduring and traditional symbol if it was only recognized in the 19800s?

Also, anyone can update an article on wikipedia. If you want to control the content, it may be on a personal, chapter or national website. Just trying to help Ccson 06:11, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A Couple of Suggestions

I'd like to see a list of notable members of Kappa Alpha Psi, such as those on the pages of other NPHC members. I would do it, but it might be more appropriate for a member to do it for verification purposes. Also, I'd also like to see an explanation of the term "Nupe" -- unless that is confidential (in that case, please include a statement to that effect). LAGreen 01:06, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And what about Phi Nu Pi? Maybe include some information about that.

- "Phi Nu Pi" is secret among brothers in the fraternity. They do not tell their families or friends from other fraternities or sororities what the term means. Bearly541 06:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

-That is correct. As I mentioned in "Correct procedures to update this article" we do not include anything that part of the rituals of Kappa Alpha Psi and only confidental with members of Kappa Alpha Psi. Only a true Kappa would never discuss what is Phi Nu Phi or "Nupe". A Tip of the hat to Bearly541 bringing this up. Erayman64

THe words "Phi Nu Pi" are not confidential and part of the fraternity's history. I think the words should be listed in the article and the above language entered about its "meaning" being only known to members. The fact that the words are listed here indicate they are not a secret. Ccson 14:15, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Great website but a correction about famous members. First Sam Jones (Boston Celtic)is a Kappa not K.C. Jones ( know him personnally). Also a new additional, Mike Tomlin, new coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. YITB.

African-American Portal Banner

I deleted the AAPB because it was taking too much space, even though a banner (small) is already placed upon the page. Bearly541 06:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ninja Nubian

Please do not accept edits by Ninja nubian. He/she is putting irrelavent facts without discussing them on the discussion page. Bearly541 14:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC) REVERT AT SIGHT.[reply]

Ninja Nubian, My fault for the edits on your page which I reverted back. I thought you made a mistake and put in the wrong Frat tag for alpha--but after looking at your edits which Brother Erayman64 had to go back and repair, you KAN'T be a Kappa Man. Don't know if you're a poser or not, but IMO, you can continue to be the alpha's problem, not ours. KaneKing93 03:13, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

understood. leave a message on my talk page next time. thanks NinjaNubian 18:20, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

KaneKing93, tell me your secret for stopping NinjaNubian in his tracks. If not for the one word of respect "understood", I think you left him speechless. Please take him back. Ccson 15:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

First incorporated Black fraternity

A link was provided as reference, Ccson a member of Alpha phi Alpha, has made it his business to delete this and place Dubious with it. What is everyone's opinion?

the talk section for this is a listed above. Please place all comments in the original section so that no info is lost. BTW-it's not based on opinion, but factual, verifable, neutral data. Plus, I'm not saying its not true, but other sites contrdict this. The kappa reference indicates that "records show" they were first. What are these records? Ccson 01:53, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Records indicate that Kappa Alpha Nu became the first undergraduate college fraternity to be incorporated by blacks as a national body. " This is the reference .. http://www.kapsimwp.com/News/MW0402/MW0402.html . If you would like to challenge this, you may look for the records yourself. 64.12.116.70 07:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

so find the reference.. disprove tihs. 149.68.16.97 17:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

first black fraternity incorporated as a national body

Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity Incorporated is the first undergraduate black fraternity to have been incorporated as a national body [1]. A read of this site will provide a strong factual first party reference. Bearly541 has repeatedly deleted this information http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kappa_Alpha_Psi&diff=69944859&oldid=69504382 and here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kappa_Alpha_Psi&diff=75102453&oldid=75060124 to serve his own purposes. Feel free to discuss this. NinjaNubian 15:12, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alpha Phi Alpha was incorporated in 1908 in New York State Ccson 14:06, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm interested in replacing the first sentence of second oldest active black fraternity to the first undergraduate black fraternity to have been incorporated as a national body . Is everyone ok with that? Mykungfu 19:55, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

that statement is untrue. Alpha Phi Alpha was incorporated as a national body in 1908 in the state of New York. Ccson 14:07, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alpha Phi was Alpha was incorporated a second time on April 9, 1911 in Washington D.C.; two days before Kappa Alpha Psi filed their request for incorporation. see Alpha Phi Alpha incorporated

please restore the original statment about being the second oldest. Ccson 14:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

please no original research. there is a reference given to this. The website is The Middlewesterner is a publication of the Middle Western Province of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc. It is the official publication. If you have any questions please bring it to them. 64.131.205.160 02:44, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is no original research, the website I provided is the District of Columbia Corporation page which indicates Alpha Phi Alpha applied for inc in D.C on April 9, 1911. The Kappa site referenced in the article indicates Kappa applied on April 11, 1911, and paid the inc fee later, and that the official date for incorporation was May 15, 1911. I'm just saying that the Kappa site and the entity that grants corporation in Washington D.C. indicate something diferent. The Kappa site indicates that records show they were first. What are these records, if not from the entity granted authority to issue Inc status? Since both groups applied in D.C., I did search for Kappa Alpha Psi on the D.C. corporation page, but only found something related to a Kappa Housing Authority, not the original national fraternity application date of 1911. The statement could very well be true. let's investigate. Ccson 02:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Records indicate that Kappa Alpha Nu became the first undergraduate college fraternity to be incorporated by blacks as a national body. " This is the reference .. http://www.kapsimwp.com/News/MW0402/MW0402.html . If you would like to challenge this, you may look for the records yourself. 64.12.116.70 07:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is a statement, not a fact, and no clue as to what records were the source of the "statement". please see District of Columbia Corporation page, a neutral source and the source that would have received the inc application for all groups in the District of Columbia. Ccson 14:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

the kappa website is a neutral source. Mykungfu 02:14, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

application and acceptance for incorporation are different things. you can apply and get denied or may require more things and then get accepted. Mykungfu 02:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The District of Columbia's website says registration date, not application or acceptance date. Ccson 23:25, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The District of Columbias website has a contact email address. I have sent an email requesting the official incorporation dates of Alpha Phi Alpha and Kappa Alpha Psi. I have received a response that I would have a response by the first week in October 2006. I will provide any results at that time, the person(s) who provide the information so that it can be verified. Ccson 13:49, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_research thanks. StrangeApples 22:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

no original research is the what is being mentioned. ManOfTke 18:47, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

verifying information from the orginal source is not original research. The Kappa article would an intermediate source since the information would to have come from the Corporation office.

Here is the response from the District of Columbia Corporation department.

This letter is in response to your e-mail dated September 22nd. Corporations Division has the following companies on record: KAPPA ALPHA ASSOCIATION OF THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, INC. THE (this is the closest in terms of name company to the one you are looking for) Incorporation date is 08/29/1918.
ALPHA PHI ALPHA FRATERNITY Incorporation date is 04/09/1911.
Should you have any questions, please, contact Corporations Division at (202) 442-4432
Corporations Correspondence Unit #4302

There is no record of Kappa Alpha Psi, however; that's unimportant since the incorporation date for for Alpha Phi Alpha is 2 days before the date that Kappa Alpha Psi filed for incorporation.

This information is verifable and other editors are encourged to contact the D.C. office at the phone number listed above to confirm. Please update your findings in this section. Ccson 03:07, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Original research..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOR

Original research is a term used in Wikipedia to refer to material placed in articles by Wikipedia users that has not been previously published by a reliable source. It includes unpublished material, for example, arguments, concepts, data, ideas, statements, or theories, or any new analysis or synthesis of published material that appears to advance a position — or, in the words of Wikipedia's co-founder Jimbo Wales, that would amount to a "novel narrative or historical interpretation". 64.131.205.160 03:21, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

upon semi protection removal for this page, the update by Ccson will be removed based on the original research clause 64.131.205.160 02:32, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have provided the published D.C. Corporation page with list Alpha Phi Alpha's registration date as April 9, 1911. That wasn't just recently published. Ccson 03:39, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

this website, an official website of Kappa Alpha Psi has written differently. the official wording is

"Records indicate that Kappa Alpha Nu became the first undergraduate college fraternity to be incorporated by blacks as a national body." if you can somehow prove that Alpha Phi Alpha was incorporated prior to this as a NATIONAL BODY, then we can discuss this. until that, it will be removed.

http://www.kapsimwp.com/News/MW0402/MW0402.html

64.131.205.160 04:00, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ceast all deletions on this article from non-members

I been checking this article and discussions since last week from those who members of Alpha Phi Alpha, Ccson, Mykungfu, and wiki contributor KaneKing93 who indentified himself as a member of Kappa Alpha Psi(Glad another Nupe is joining in updating and keeping an eye on this article) and other person,Bearly541 who affiliation is not kwown. We need to settle this bickering over deleting and changing this article, especially those who are not members of Kappa Alpha Psi, call foul when someone outside Alpha Phi Alpha are altering their articles. I assume we are no longer undergraduates and are grown men who can respect each other articles and opinions.

To clearing things up with Ccson regarding which fraternity was first to be incorporated. I was taught since I was a Scroller in 1990 and read after I crossed over that Kappa Alpha Psi was incorporated NATIONALLY since 1911. Ccson insist that Alpha Phi Alpha was incorporated before Kappa in 1908 and again in April of 1911 in Washington D.C. Was the fraternity incorporated NATIONALLY or LOCALLY under state guidelines in 1908? With no disrespect to the Alphas, Their seven founders first began as a social education group,then became a fraternity while the ten founders of Kappa Alpha Psi began a fraternity in the first sense in the beginning of 1911. We may be debating about this for a long time in the furture.

Also the question of Alpha Kappa Nu. The fraternity was founded on the campus of Indiana University at Bloomington in 1903, three years before Alpha Phi Alpha. But Alpha Kappa Nu died out due to lack of interest and this defuncted fraternity has no connection with the ten founders of Kappa Alpha Psi, who attended college at Indiana the next decade. The reason the founders chose to be named Kappa Alpha Nu is again only CONFIDENTAL to those to pledged Kappa Alpha Psi. Erayman64

--Respect bruh. Just swimming through. From looking at the warnings, My Kunfu and Ninja are the same person. Appears to be a flamer that put Alpha on his home page in spite, and is writing your page for the same reason. Don't be pulled into it. Good work on the page, man, peace.

hey erayman64 sorry although i'm not a frequent poster i'd like to say that anyone can post. thanks again. 64.131.205.160 02:52, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No disrespect regarding social club, however; this discussion is when the groups incorporated. Regarding the Kappas starting as a frat, you have to remember that 2 of your founders were coeds at Howard, and were aware Alphas Beta chapter before transferring to Indiana. There experience as Howard students provided them a unique experience to see that a "Negro" fraternity was possible, even on a predominately white camups (Alpha's founding on Cornell), and perhaps this is why at Indiana, they only sought those who wanted a fraternity, and avoided the dichotomy that Alpha experienced.

I'm not saying your statement of first inc isn't true, just dubious because other evidence indicates something different. We need to resolve so the article is correct. The 1908 Inc for Alpha was locally, but the 1911 was nationally. see [2] regarding Alpha's application date of April 9, 1911. The kappa refernce in intro paragraph states the application was file on April 11, 1911 and that the incorporation occurred on May 15, 1911. I looked for Kappa Alpha Psi on the site, but could only find something regarding Kappa housing corporation. Ccson 16:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I Got A Feeling=

In checking with Ccson , Bearly541 , and KaneKing93 talk pages over the weekend, We are having a problem with Mykungfu, formerly NinjaNubian vandalizing both Alpha Phi Alpha and Kappa Alpha Psi web pages. KaneKing93 and Bearly541 said they are members of Kappa Alpha Psi and Ccson already confirmed membership with Alpha Phi Alpha. Mykungfu is causing this edit war trying to "perpetrate" both fraternities. I suggest we need to block him out of vandalizing these articles and any other article of NPHC organizations. Erayman64

good luck, vandalism and posting information with references are 2 different things. 64.131.205.160 18:47, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That is correct, anyone can post, but please post correct information. Erayman64

Bearly541 had replied to confirm that he is not a member of either fraternity and leaves only I and KaneKing93as confirmed members of KAΨ who are Wiki contributors. Erayman64

A "Black" fraternity that's "always been open to all races"?

OK. Which is it? How, exactly, did this work. "OK, Austin, you're in! But remember--this is really our fraternity."

All jokes aside, this needs some clarification.

there does appear to be some duplicity in this statement, and it has the characteristics of what philosophers refer to as a conundrum. Perhaps you should quality the claim such as "although membership has always been open to men of all races; the fraternity remains predominately African-American. Ccson 03:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. Same thing applies to HBCU's; though their mandate was historically the training of African-Americans, to practice "reverse racism" would have been counterproductive and counterintuitive towards that very goal. -Robotam 12:57, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just curious--was the fraternity initially established to include all races, or is it that the fraternity simply never had a written policy that it was exclusive to African-Americans? Two different things, really. Let's not forget why African-American fraternities were founded in the first place. F.U.B.U. On another note, this article is shaping up very nicely. Good job. Adisalee 20:01, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I reviewed the Kappa national site and it doens't claim to be a black fraternity; it states the Kappa Constitution has never contained a clause which either excluded or suggested the exclusion of membership to a man merely because of his color, creed or national orgin. Since this is the case, the article is duplicitous by making the the claim as a "black" fraternity and then suggesting that this was not a requirement or a restriction on membership. Perhaps "second oldest fraternity with a membership comprised predeominately of African-Americans.

the editor that added this statement referring to "black" is not a member of the fraternity, and it's a deliberate attack on Alpha Phi Alpha because its's constitution prior to being changed in the 1940s limited membership to Negros. Ccson 22:56, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

i have doubts that it is a deliberate attack upon Alpha Phi Alpha. AphiA isn't even mentioned. The fraternity is founded by what appears to be about a dozen black males. reading on Alpha phi Alpha is no longer a black fraternity, but rather a mostly black fraternity, since the 1940's. perhaps it's best to leave things the way they are. 152.163.101.6 03:16, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I don't think it was an attack on Alpha Phi Alpha because Kappa has and always will be regarded as a (historically) BGLO. Doesn't the article mention the organization being referred to as Kappa Alpha Nig? Also, I understand why the constitution wouldn't state that it was a Black organization. To be touted as a BGLO in "Klan"diana in 1911 probably would have gotten some people killed. It was a smart move, I think, to ensure the survival of the fraternity. But, again, that's not the same thing as starting a fraternity for "everybody". Those tricky Nupes! (smiling) Adisalee 15:09, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You both have my word that it was a jab at Alpha's orginal constitution of only allowing membership to negro males. He put "has never" in bold type. He even attacked this article by puting Kappa is the second "active" organization, because he feels Alpha Kappa Nu is the first college fraternity, alpha is the second, and therefore Kappa is third, Alpha is first active, and kappa is 2nd active. He has tried to place 1st active on the Alpha page before, but a mediation of that topic did not grant him his wish. Nothing he does is for good. Ccson 16:27, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, I'm not saying the info isn't true, just that his motive wasn't to to promote Kappa, but to disparage Alpha. take a look at the Alpha Kappa Nu and Sigma Pi Phi articles he created. They address things on the Alpha and Kappa pages in the opposite. The Sigma Pi Phi first 4 pargraphs and the Civil Rights section are copied directly from the Alpha article with the names changed, claiming the opposite of what Alpha has stated. Ccson 16:34, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Noted, and I'm now in total agreement with you. I thought the AKN page was deleted, or is that still a work in progress? What's wikipedia's policy about such antics? Adisalee 16:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It was deleted[3], Alpha kappa nu (note capitalization) was recreated in cleaned up form, but still maintaining factual inaccuracies, then Quarl put it on Deletion Review, where it can be discussed and comments/votes may be left pending review. Ninja/MKF is phoning in on anonymous IPs to defend the article since he has been blocked by admin. very strange apples, indeed.-Robotam 19:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There've been a few attempts to clarify the original statement, but it still reads funny. Why not just say "KAY is a predominately AA fraternity and is the second oldest fraternity in the NPHC. Since its founding in January 1911, KAY has been open to men of all races",or something like that. The other statements seem to try to place equal importance on being "second" and "first" at the same time. Just a suggestion. Adisalee 13:43, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The two sentences were added by different editors, and I was trying to appease both. The statement regarding "first to incorporate" is comparing themselves to sororitys and fraternitys (9 members) as opposed to fraternitys (only 4 members). I guess 1/9 is better than 1/4. The statement regarding "first to incorporate" is currently under disussion, and if its proven to be untrue, that sentence will be removed, and only the sentence regarding second oldest fraternity will remain. Let's wait until the date of incorporation has been decided before attempting another rewrite of the paragraph. Ccson 23:22, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, but I thought we were discussing the conflict of being founded as a Black and interracial fraternity in this section? (smile) Adisalee

True, I was/am confused by whay you meant by 'first' and 'second' when said above: The other statements seem to try to place equal importance on being "second" and "first" at the same time. I thought by 'first' you were referring to the first NPHC member to have been incorporated as a national body. I thought by second you were referring to is the second oldest collegiate Greek-letter fraternity with a predominantly African American membership. Please be specific on what is 'second' and what is 'first' in the current statement since you weren't discussing the incorporation date issue. Ccson 15:39, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, when you don't sign in and what to include you id, type [[User:Adisalee|Adisalee]] and your ID won't be highlighted in red as above. If you type 5 tildes after the id, the system will record the date and time also. But when you are signed in, you only need to type 4 tildes to record your id, date and time. (smile) Ccson 15:49, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm aware. Thanks. I have my reasons for not "tidling" when I do. Adisalee 20:25, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

like sockpuppeting? 64.131.205.160 02:45, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alpha Kappa Nu

is it alright to place that kappa alpha psi was originally named in honor of alpha kappa nu ? Mykungfu 08:53, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kappa Alpha Psi Video's

i move to include this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1Dz_GZ-MyM Kappa Alpha Psi

Mykungfu 17:58, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Correct procedures to update this article

This article was recently entered on May 5th, 2006. Previous articles about Kappa Alpha Psi in Wikipedia were deleted for reason for copyright violation. I entered the Kappa Alpha Psi article without violating no copyright issues. Brothers of Kappa Alpha had updated the website by adding correct footnotes of information regarding the founder and history of the Kappa cane.

Members of Kappa Alpha Psi are welcome to update this article, but please do not violate any copyright rules of Wikipedia by copying and pasting from other Kappa Alpha Psi websites without footnotes. It must be in your own words and correct information regarding Kappa Alpha Psi. Please do not type anything that is not condoned by the National office and information regarding rituals that is confidental only to Kappa Alpha Psi members are not to be entered.

Yours in the bond Erayman64 22:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stop adding POV comments!

Please refrain from adding comments like "Kappa Alpha Psi is thought to be considered as the greatest of all Afro-American Greek-Letter Fraternal Organizations with members representing and achieving success in every field of endeavers known to man."

Such foolishness will be deleted. 143.166.226.40 14:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That also goes for the newly added bold statement "first black intercollegiate fraternity incorporated as a national body"--because the article read fine as it was, already made mention of the incorporation, and KAY was not founded as a "black" fraternity, remember?--and, as a side note, what does the 2004-2006 Chapter of the Year have to do with the frat's founding? At least put the info in a different section. 143.166.255.42 23:45, 22 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted the article to the previous one made before the vandal. Alpha Phi Alpha was the first BGL fraternity. B e arly 541 03:28, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

References

There's no need to have the references that small, the small option is for longer articles to keep the size down I believe. Either way they're virtually unreadable on a high res computer screen. Quadzilla99 13:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pop4any1, you reverted [4] my inclusion of the Refimprove template, asking that I discusss it on the talk page.

See the article linked from the verification link in the template: WP:V which states that any unsourced material may be removed. Instead of removing most the article because it isn't referenced to reliable published sources, I put Refimprove template at the top to give editors the chance to add sources.

I've received a complaint about the article on Wikimedia's OTRS system (VRTS ticket # 2007072410012961), and I'm going to remove unsourced information from the article, but I hope you put back the Refimprove so that as much verifiable and notable information can be referenced and kept before I do this. -- Jeandré (talk) 20:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the sources are from the history of Kappa alpha psi it is not a widely published book because it is only given to members of the fraternity. The fraternity is not a publicized thing so you just can't find information from anywhere so I was just wondering how the article is not sourced because everything basically has its source referenced to them. the "third party sites" are official regions of the fraternity and are watch by the grand chapter so any info sourced back to them is legit whether the public knows or not. Can you give me an example of what you think is unsourced so I can get a better understanding. (Pop4any1 21:38, 25 July 2007 (UTC))[reply]

I'm going to cite what I can then tell me what needs improving....(Pop4any1 15:28, 26 July 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Nupe redirection here

Given that the Wikipedia entry "Nupe" redirects here and that it is listed as a nickname, would an explanation be appropriate for where the term "Nupe" comes from? I presume (as a non member of Kappa Alpha Psi) that it relates to the Phi Nu Pi in the crest, but I don't know if that explanation is correct or, if correct is private to the brothers of Kappa Alpha Psi.Naraht 16:10, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually that is not correct but the term NUPE is used amongst members and non members use it because they here brothers call each other that. The term NUPE is a secret as well as PHI NU PI so they are both kept private. Therefore there is no need to explain there meanings or origins in the article. (Pop4any1 16:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Rushing Black Fraternities

If possible, please clean up this section: Fraternities_and_sororities#Joining_a_black_fraternity_or_sorority. It reads poorly and its citations should be footnotes instead. I am also unsure of the universality of said processes; if they are fairly common, keep them; if not, delete them. Thank you for your help. —Scouter Sig 16:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment

The article's progress is going great so far. However, if you want this article featured, here are some suggestions.

Founders: If you want to make your article featured, make individual biographies of your founders. I am currently doing this with AKA, and yours is much easier since you have ten instead of twenty. :-D
History: Divide your history section into decades instead of one lump history. For an example, see Alpha Kappa Alpha or Alpha Phi Alpha
List the books that you used for the article, for further reference (i.e. The History of Kappa Alpha Psi, Divine Nine, Crump's The Story of Kappa Alpha Psi).

If I have more ideas, I will let you know. Miranda 03:05, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Free image

Kappa Alpha Psi with President Coolidge Miranda 07:36, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Non-salient blog links

Several times now, user EliasTuggle (Talk) has attempted to add a blog entry to the list of links for the Kappa Alpha Psi article. I am removing it (the first time for myself, others have done the same), and reminding everyone that Wikipedia should not be used to wage personal wars or agendas, which it seems is the only reason why that link is being added.
Wikipedia:External links gives good guidelines on the proper inclusion of external links. Especially pertinent to this issue is Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided, particularly #12. Let's be careful about our additions to both content and links, and be sure that we are keeping Wikipedia encyclopedic. As for the link that I am about to remove, perhaps one should try an alternative outlet. :) Thanks, and take care. WDavis1911 (talk) 22:11, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So my removal of what I feel is an inappropriate link (WP:EL) was reverted by 24.177.237.120 ( Talk), which happens (it's part of the beauty that is Wikipedia), but without reason. This was probably simply an oversight, as in my edit summary I pointed out why I was removing it and a link to this discussion section. I reverted this revert (I sincerely hope we can resolve this without an edit war) and tried to be more clear in my second edit summary. Please, if you disagree, feel free to explain why a blog on an MSN site by a non-recognized authority qualifies as an appropriate external link in our article about Kappa Alpha Psi. If any others would take the time to chime in on the link's appropriateness or lack thereof, such discussion would be greatly appreciated :) WDavis1911 (talk) 01:35, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I agree that it's not appropriate to link, and you've summed my feelings up on the matter pretty well. I'd honestly say that external links like that fall under the same category as chapter websites. Justinm1978 (talk) 02:19, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I removed comments made by the user EliasTuggle (Talk) under "Nupe redirection here". I assume that he is the same person with the little known BLOG that was linked under External Links on the main KAPSI page. (I have previously removed that link as well).

RTMuhammad (talk) 16:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reorganization of membership section

The previous membership section was somewhat confusing to me. It had a sub-section titled "Scroller club" with no information (cited or uncited) about the club. The entire section, in fact, was about the fraternity's stance on hazing. So I renamed it thusly and shifted some of the images and quote boxes around. I removed

[[Image:Scrollerclub.JPG|130px|thumb|right|Coat of Arms of the Scroller Club. The colors were [[green]] and [[white]].]]

from the section simply because it broke up the flow of the section and was yet another reference to something that is not explained. Where this would be appropriate would be a real "Scroller Club" sub-section that explains to the readers what that is about using cited sources. If someone feels they can create a well-referenced section on that soon then be my guest, otherwise I will attempt to do the same when I get a chance.
Anyway, hopefully it looks better now (not perfect of course) and makes more sense... WDavis1911 (talk) 06:43, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, similarly, the polemarch list should be moved, perhaps to a "Leadership" or "Fraternity organization" section with more details. Work for another day or another user... g'nite. WDavis1911 (talk) 07:05, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Split off chapter list

I have created a new page from the Chapters section (to reduce the length of the Kappa Alpha Psi page); I have put in proper inline citations and in some cases footnotes. I also checked it against sources, correcting errors or omissions as best I could, and reorganized and edited it in various ways to make it read with greater continuity.

…Clicking the little triangle things on the new table column headings lets you sort by that column now too. --Whitehorse1 05:26, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The Scrollers Club

the scrollers club — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.78.55.96 (talk) 17:22, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think including information about the Scrollers Club would be useful if it can be referenced. (Note this also applies to the other NPHC groups like Omega Psi Phi's Lampados Club) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naraht (talk • contribs) 17:45, 8 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Black Greek 101 - https://archive.org/details/blackgreek101cul0000kimb/page/126/mode/2up

Neutrality dispute

@Cpotisch: Why is this article's neutrality being disputed? Jarble (talk) 00:41, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Heavy and uncritical use of primary sources in Wiki voice, mainly. 165.124.85.112 (talk) 01:49, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Whoops that was me) Cpotisch (talk) 01:49, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral editor here: I think there is balance in this article because sizable controversies section. Also, I have removed some of the promotional toned content. In this instance, a primary source notice makes more sense. Rublamb (talk) 22:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]