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moving

per Wikipedia´s own rules of naming monarchs. Antares911 23:52, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oppose. Keep this simple, and additionally, those naming guidelines deal with european monarchs, not Polynesian. 217.140.193.123 6 July 2005

It was requested that Kamehameha II be moved to either Kamehameha II of Hawai'i, Kamehameha II, King of Hawai'i or King Kamehameha II of Hawai'i. I among others oppose such moves. As can be seen above, the request received opposition and the poll went stale. Requests denied. Arrigo 12:58, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Instead of having to place opinions on multiple pages, we should follow the example of the users over at the Japan manual of style pages and move all related discussions to one place. Thus, I'm requesting that we move all discussions about the naming conventions of Hawaiian monarchs to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hawaii/Manual of Style. 青い(Aoi) 06:20, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Royal consorts and monarchs

hi there. i´m trying to get a discussion going to change the rules on naming consorts, monarchs, etc.. it´s a bit of mess at the moment. maybe you wanna join in and give your opinion? feel free [1] cheers Antares911 23:55, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Needs citations

Removed "and also because his father practiced human sacrifice" because it made the sentence run-on (not sure what is meant?) and was not sourced. W Nowicki (talk) 19:33, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Getting there, but still needs more. W Nowicki (talk) 23:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Chiefs who practiced human sacrifice were not allowed to have their sons born at Kukaniloko.

Hawaiian marriages

It seems Hawaiian marriage are not the same as Western marriage like I thought. I assumed the wives of Kamehameha I and Kamehameha II were married to him till the ends of their life but this was not the case. Keopuolani was given to Hoapili by Kamehameha I before his death. I'm not sure if Kamehameha II's marriage last to the end of his life but I highly doubt it. I forgot where I read this but he divorced or gave away most of them before he departed for London, but I'm not sure.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 08:36, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

King William IV

Ricardo38 (talk) 12:08, 23 March 2011 (UTC)(user: Ricardo38 (Article needs factual correction) King of Hawaii, who died in London, could not have met William IV in 1824. Wm IV, became King in 1830. (signed) Ricardo39[reply]

It's King George IV of the United Kingdom not William IV.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 12:19, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Religion

Did Kamehameha II ever converted to Christianity? I always assumed he didn't since Queen Kaahumanu didn't converted till 1825. But from this letter he wrote to the Chief of Huahine in the Society Islands, he said "I now serve the God of you and of us. We are now learning to read and write." and "May you be saved by Jesus Christ." Beside the religion part, it's also interesting to note that the chiefs of Tahiti and Huahine had diplomatic communication with the Kingdom of Hawaii; his wife Kekauluohi was once betrothed to Pomare prince.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:58, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

foot stepping in Westminster Abbey

The article currently includes this:

They toured London, visiting Westminster Abbey, but he refused to enter because he did not want to desecrate their burial place: "Liholiho, King Kamehameha II, refused to step in there, because he wasn’t blood-connected. These were the kings, and he felt he had no right, to walk around their caskets. He didn’t even step foot in there, he didn’t want to desecrate their burial places with his presence or his feet stepping in that area."^[1]

I checked Who's Who in Pacific Navigation. It does not contain this verbiage. (Page 238, its only index entry for Liholiho, contains a three-paragraph biography of Valentine Starbuck, the captain who brought Liholiho to England. This trip takes up most of the bio, but the Westminster Abbey visit isn't mentioned.

The Corley article (J. Susan Corley (2008). "British Press Greets the King of the Sandwich Islands: Kamehameha II in London, 1824". Hawaiian Journal of History 42 (Hawaii Historical Society). pp. 69–101. hdl:10524/261.) is forty pages just about the trip. It describes the theater nights, but not Westminster Abbey.

Did that really happen? Whose prose, about "stepping foot", is quoted? I suggest it should be removed. TypoBoy (talk) 22:17, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It happened. The words quoted here are from Bill Maioho, the current curator of Maunla ʻAla, here. It is based on primary source account of the visit [2], which states "...delighted with Westminster Abbey; the music affected them much; and when Riho Riho was informed that the ancient kings of England lay buried in Henry the Seventh's Chapel, he paused on the steps, and refused to enter." You sometimes have to work with archaic spelling of Hawaiian names to find what you want. So he actually went in the abbey for church service but didn't visit the area where the kings were buried. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:41, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So that four-sentence, fifty-word quote is from Bill Maioho (or Mai'oho), but it doesn't credit him? And the source is PacificWorlds.com, but the citation points to "Who's Who in Pacific Navigation"? You can see where I'd be confused.

In that case, I suggest that the cite should be changed to point to PacificWorlds.com.TypoBoy (talk) 20:51, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I made this change, just now. I gave credit for the quote to Bill Mai'oho (linking to the Maunla ʻAla article), cited PacificWorlds.com, and moved the two stray cites (about Starbuck and about the king and queen's last hours) to where they are relevant. TypoBoy (talk) 03:18, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Dunmore, John (1992); Who's Who in Pacific Navigation, Australia:Melbourne University Press, ISBN 0-522-84488-X, p 238

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[Dunmore238-1] Dunmore, John (1992); Who's Who in Pacific Navigation, Australia:Melbourne University Press, ISBN 0-522-84488-X, p 238

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