Talk:Kalgoorlie/Archive 1

earlier comments

The 1993 "Australia - The Rough Guide" talks about Tom Flannigan. I don't have a more recent version, so I don't know if this was a mistake that's been corrected. Anyway, is there a "right" spelling for the name? D.D. 11:44 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)

It's been spelt Flanagan every reputable place I've seen it. (Including the pub in Kalgoorlie named after him, for what it's worth.)

--Paul A 11:55 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)

Largest City

There is no mention in the article of the single most impressive statistic relating to this city. Kalgoorlie Boulder occupies an area of more than 96000 sq Kms making it the largest city on earth.

See Here

Factoid Killer 13:04, 9 February 2006 (UTC+8)

Have removed the 'largest city' claim, anyone wishing to have the intricacies of the designation of a local government area, what it constitutes, and what a locality or townsite constitutes, please ask here, and this editor will try to explain. The mis-use of the word and the ambiguousness of the word city alone leaves me gobsmacked that this claim has not been challenged. User:SatuSuro 01:58, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good stuff, SatuSuro. Despite its name, the "City of Kalgoorlie-Boulder" is gazetted as an administrative division, not as a city. Possible the "City of Kalgoorlie-Boulder" can claim to be the largest local government area in the world - I don't know - but "Kalgoorlie" the city has no such claim. User talk:Hesperian 02:04, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe but some are trying to reinstate the false claim :) SatuSuro 09:16, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is one claim that shouldnt be in the article Mount Isa has the claim there but its covers 42,000 sqkm and acknowledges Kal and a province in china as being bigger. Gnangarra 09:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Despite its name, the "City of Kalgoorlie-Boulder" is gazetted as an administrative division, not as a city. Sorry, that's not correct. The Local Government Act 1995, section 2.4 specifies that each district must be a city, town or shire. Kalgoorlie-Boulder is a city under that legislation. There is no such thing as an "administrative division" in Western Australian law.Paul Fisher 08:43, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2 dot maps

Is there any need for 2 dot maps in 1 article, they show the same thing. I'll remove the map without the roads it looks ugly anyway. Regards Hossens27 08:22, 4 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox added

I have added an "Australian city" infobox, to make this page consistent with entries for other Australian cities.

I did not see the previous dot map that was deleted, so do not know what it looked like. The one I have added is consistent with the one included in all the other Australian city infoboxes, and multiple dot maps appear on some other entries. So I do not feel that there is a problem with having two on this page. What do others think?

Also, the statistics I have included for "area" and "population density" are the ones found here: http://www.kalbould.wa.gov.au/SectionHome.asp?ID=93&MID=2

I suppose these are technically and officially correct, but would it be more appropriate to use statistics referring to the actually inhabited area that comprises the city, rather than the (huge) area occupied by the Shire but not necessarily inhabited?

Bonga 12:23, 28 March 2006 (UTC+8)

Shopping section

this small section is it necessary, and is the dispoable incomes the reason for national retail stores or would the fact that its a major regional centre with sufficient population? is this really relivant to an encyclopedic article? Gnangarra 10:50, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It dosnt need it but you need spellcheck :) SatuSuro 11:55, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The section cut from this article

Shopping

Kalgoorlie thrives with its wealthy mining industry which attracts national retail chains and companies to the city, mainly due to its high disposable income.

National chains: Coles (2 locations), Woolworths, K-mart, Target, Bunnings Warehouse, Harvey Norman, Retravision, Dick Smith, Rockmans, Westco, Just Jeans, Strandbags, Jay Jays, Rivers, Sussan, Williams, Betts, Priceline, Liquorland (4 locations), Supa IGA, IGA (2 locations), McDonald's, Hungry Jacks, KFC, Red Rooster, Subway, Eagle Boys, Dominos Pizza, Hogs Breath Cafe, Civic Video (3 locations), Video Ezy, BP (3 locations), Caltex (3 locations), Shell (2 locations), Holden, Ford, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Land Rover

cut "Kalgoorlie is also the biggest constituency in the whole world."

I removed this Kalgoorlie is also the biggest constituency in the whole world. from the lead. The lead should only be a summary of facts within the article. This isnt mentioned anywhere with in the article and it needs a reference source.

The Italian parliament has a recognisably larger constituency region. It isnt the largest by registered voters many Australian electorates higher numbers. Please dont add these kinds of claims to the article they are easy targets as disputable facts as shown. Gnangarra 05:57, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dont you think Kalgoorlie is the biggest electoral constituency in the world in terms of land area? Could you pl. answer this ? Nithya1974 12:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly what I think is irrelevant as that would violate original research guidelines as I cant be used a verifiable reference. As previously state The Italian Parliament has 2 seats for South East Asian and Oceania region which encompasses the Kalgoorlie electoral region so that is larger. Federal Senate seats in Western Australia cover larger areas than Kalgoorlie. The question of size comes down to methodology used in measuring, a single line statement without reference in the lead which isnt supported within the article shouldnt be there. Your welcome to include it within the article supported by verifiable sources (see WP:Cite for whats needed) please also include something on the methodology used to measure the claim. Gnangarra 14:47, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Closer to home Division of Kalgoorlie is 2,295,354 sq km thats more the 95,000 sq km. Gnangarra

rating base

I rated this based on the following criteria

start because its currently more a tourist guide than an article, offers very little useful information to someone researching the city.
mid one level down from the Perth article

--Gnangarra 06:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cut - Business & franchises, Nightlife

The sections only needed to have phones numbers added and we'd have an article to rival any publication the local Tourist bureau could provide. Please remember this is meant to be an encyclopedia, WP:NOT is good starting point before reinstating any of the information. Gnan garra 07:55, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References

It would be nice to see more references/sources for information given in the article. (For example, the origin of the name "Kalgoorlie"; I recall hearing a different version when I visited Kalgoorlie. A reference to a reputable source would help clear this up.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.41.80 (talk) 02:49, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notable people

Please ensure that they have both a WP:RS and an article to establish notability and inclusion in the article. I removed one as there is nothing to support and AGF on another which is unsourced Gnan garra 14:40, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

further checking with no ghits on the other one I removed as a possible hoax. Gnan garra 14:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kalgoorlie vs Kalgoorlie-Boulder

This page should be just about Kalgoorlie itself, shouldn't it? And Kalgoorlie is now just a suburb of K-B, right? A lot of stuff on this page seems to belong on the city page instead; I moved some of it, but more needs to be done. The infobox should probably go too, but the numbers aren't 100% in agreement. -- Zsero (talk) 07:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Debatable as to perception as to what is going on there - K is not just a suburb, no. In West Australian history boulder has never had primacy over kalgoorlie, nor does the city of K-B have primacy over K. Probably worth actually putting things on talk first - with reasons - before doing the move - giving other editors the chance to discuss - and even better putting it to the others in the project at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Western Australia - even if it is for them to agree - its one of the more iconic locations in western australian history - and not to be taken too lightly Satu Suro 07:47, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's confusing - City of Kalgoorlie-Boulder is a local government area. Just as we wouldn't say, to take a random example, Mukinbudin is simply a suburb of the Shire of Mukinbudin, and curiously Bunbury is conversely much, much larger than the City of Bunbury and includes parts of several neighbouring LGAs (Capel, Dardanup and Harvey) - this article should scope and cover the history, development, economy and growth of an urban centre and its metropolitan area. The City of... article should cover governance of the region and anything specifically attributable to the region which would not appear in either a higher-level (town) or lower-level (Goldfields-Esperance) article. In Kalgoorlie-Boulder this would mostly relate to the areas in Part B - i.e. "other" - than to those in the city that can amply be handled here.

Also, with the area and various other things - the area we use for all cities in Australia, with only two exceptions that I'm aware of, is the Statistical District on ABS for regional centres and the Statistical Division for capitals. The Statistical District is an area like so, and we use the same definitions for Bunbury and Geraldton, as well as most eastern states cities. Orderinchaos 11:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Talkheader

sporadic visits of POINT and POV newbies requires it as a check point Satu Suro 05:12, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Aussie spelling?

"Dilibertly lit on fire in 2009" ? 82.163.24.100 (talk) 10:38, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling fixed. Bidgee (talk) 11:04, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Erm... Exactly when did...

...Kalgoorlie swallow Boulder? It does not seem to be mentioned, for some reason. 106.68.158.249 (talk) 14:05, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Updated to Kalgoorlie-Boulder

Updated the article to refer to Kalgoorlie-Boulder, as this is article is clearly referring to what is now Kalgoorlie-Boulder, a city in Western Australia, and not Kalgoorlie, a suburb within Kalgoorlie-Boulder. Possibly need to add history of town of Boulder to article to correctly identify the now amalgamated city history? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enjgine (talk • contribs) 03:13, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Edit summary comments from IP

(This article discusses the city known by the ABS, State and Federal Governments, local population, and Google as Kalgoorlie-Boulder, therefore, it is inaccurate to use the name of only the suburb to label the city of Kalgoorlie-Boulder. Citation needed for "CIty of Kalgoorlie". See: http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/66f306f503e529a5ca25697e0017661f/B210449400950877CA256AD4007F6852?opendocument , and: https://www.wa.gov.au/search-results.html?q=kalgoorlie)

15:39, 4 July 2018 (diff | hist) . . (+586)‎ . . Kalgoorlie ‎ (Undid revision 848013080 by John beta (talk) Kalgoorlie-Boulder is a city in Western Austrlaia. Kalgoorlie is a suburb. The council entity known as The City of Kalgoorlie-Boulder is named after the city it administers,) (Tag: Undo)

14:41, 29 June 2018 (diff | hist) . . (+586)‎ . . Kalgoorlie ‎ (Kalgoorlie is a suburb of the now amalgamated City of Kalgoorlie-Boulder which is formally recognized as a single entity, additional corrections applied)

The IP placing this has been asked to place these comments in talk pages rather than edit summary space - as edit summary material can be lost and hard to keep track of.JarrahTree 04:44, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Irraneous name

Wikipedia should use the correct name for locations it lists. Kalgoorlie is not a city, it is a suburb. There exists a city called Kalgoorlie-Boulder, and is the name sake for the city council, the city for ABS purposes, the State Government classification of the city, and most importantly, all official material related to the city, so why are people so deadset on using the name of one of the suburbs as the cities identifier?

Can anyone provide any sources for the name "kalgoorlie" that are official in any sense? Below are the sources for it's real name, Kalgoorlie-Boulder. https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/7d12b0f6763c78caca257061001cc588/dc37215ffb6c6f32ca2574020010ff5a!OpenDocument https://www.ckb.wa.gov.au/ https://www.gedc.wa.gov.au/our-region/regional-plans/goldfields-esperance-regional-investment-blueprint

We should not use the colloquial name as the formal name for these types of places, Kalgoorlie-Boulder is the formal name that Wikipedia should recognise, not pretend Kalgoorlie is the formal name and Kalgoorlie-Boulder is a colloquial term for things the State, Local Council, and ABS recognize as Kalgoorlie-Boulder. Wikipedia is not the place to enforce laziness just because we don't always use a proper name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.150.81.254 (talk) 03:13, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank for that opinion. I agree, colloquial names should not be used. That is why Kalgoorlie-Boulders wikipedia page should be correctly named.

Could we get the entire article renamed appropriately? 134.7.244.196 (talk) 02:51, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article should be moved to suit the real name for location. Kalgoorlie-Boulder is universally accepted the correct name. No real sources that point to the Suburb of Kalgoorlie being the formal name beyond it's colliqually convenient shortening. If no one has a good reason why the city most locals know as Kalgoorlie-Boulder should be named erroneously on wiki, move to Kalgoorlie-Boulder. 137.166.37.238 (talk) 08:51, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Marc Humphrey

Youngest ever Kalgoorlie golf club champion, at aged 17, in 1980.

Maybe a worth a mention. 86.98.71.134 (talk) 11:59, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]