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Reference ideas for Kaiser Steel

The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:

Chilton's Iron Age. Trade magazine of record for the American metalworking industry, spanning the late 19th to late 20th century (limited open access at archive.org).
Steel. Also known at times as "Iron Trade Review" and "The Trade Review", another weekly trade magazine for American metalworking (limited open access at archive.org).
The San Bernardino Sun. Local newspaper for Fontana, CA and surroundings.
Research notes (with sources) at Commons by former editor Nowakki. While no longer able to edit at Wikipedia, Nowakki has done a lot of good legwork on nitty-gritty details from Kaiser Steel's history. Consider working some in, especially if fleshing out figures, tables, or charts.

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Schematic drawing

If I could find a schematic drawing of the original and later BOF lineup! This would make it much easier to understand the flow of material through the plant.-- Jackie Bensberg (talk) 18:47, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

no doubt it would. you are encouraged to undertake such a heroic improvement of the article. Nowakki (talk) 18:55, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Finished rewrite (Nov 2024)

Just leaving a note for posterity that I've finished my pass over the article. I restructured it, tried to reconcile a lot of the nitty-gritty facts and figures, and add to the historical big picture. I leaned on the last chapter of Mike Davis' City of Quartz in particular (reading it was the primary reason I decided to expand this article). I'm going to go ahead and request an article re-evaluation too.

I decided against adding a To Do template, but I did put in a suggested reference list and media requests. Whoever wants to edit this article next, besides just going over my prose, I'd suggest further consolidating and reconciling the detailed business figures: adding inflation adjustments, organizing more facts into tables or charts, etc. Although Nowakki can't edit anymore, he has a lot of good details at his Commons page; they're very specific so you probably don't want to bring them over wholesale, but they can fill in a lot of gaps, especially if you're working on an infographic.

Besides that, the article definitely has room for more eye-candy. It may be worth moving some material into smaller related articles too (like Eagle Mountain, California or a new article for the Fontana USW Local 2869). Otherwise, happy editing and that's all folks. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just to update, an independent reviewer decided to leave the article at C for now, mainly because references weren't precisely allocated to claims enough. I've mostly fixed that (we still have a couple spots needing a citation or verification), enough to qualify for B-class in my mind. However, I decided to leave at C-class too because for the size and topic, I don't feel we have enough supporting media, diagrams, etc. After adding some, I feel this can definitely be upped to a B-class, and may already be pretty close to A-class. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:00, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A couple notes on some sources

For posterity, I also have a couple observations about sources we cite in the article too:

For the operational details of the 4th blast furnace, there's a discrepancy between the local paper & the trade magazines on capacity. I think it comes from one of the sources assuming the 4th oven was built to the same specs as the first 3, which the trade magazines strongly imply isn't the case.
For the 1994 NY Times article, I decided to cut the specific claim about a $287 million cost. I don't think this reconciles with the trade magazines or Davis' claim (based on Kaiser Steel financial reports) that the $127 million emissions control was over half the expansion budget. I suspect the reporter was either actually referring to something other than the last expansion cost (e.g. book value of physical assets when sold to Vale?) or maybe made a transcription error (from $237 million?) -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 05:00, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]