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GA Review

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Reviewer: Vaticidalprophet (talk · contribs) 18:37, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Grabbing both of these two, will aim to start an actual review sometime around when the current one wraps up. Vaticidalprophet 18:37, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Lead and channel 13

Exhausted today, for some reason, but I've been really hoping to get a start on this one and didn't want to leave you hanging further, so the first responses I can manage for now. I really like this one, as I've told you -- it's something unique.

• The first paragraph of the lead buries information somewhat. One thing that's unintuitive to keep in mind about Wikipedia articles is that people often interact with them through knowledge panels or Discord snippets or other horrendously decontextualizing things, and make snap judgements about whether this is what they're looking for from those. Right now, we have KIKU (channel 20) is a multicultural independent television station in Honolulu, Hawaii, United States, serving the Hawaiian Islands. It is owned by Allen Media Group alongside ABC affiliate KITV (channel 4). The two stations share studios on South King Street in downtown Honolulu; KIKU's transmitter is located in Nānākuli. KIKU's programming consists primarily of programs in Japanese and Filipino, some syndicated programming, and local news from KITV. Most of these snippet-formats show the first 2-3 sentences of a lead; for this article, the information about what makes KIKU unique and what confirms it's the particular station a reader is looking for information on is in the fourth sentence.
  • Reworded the lead. Lead paragraphs can get tricky with this field.
• The station changed its call sign to KIKU in 1993 after JN Productions took over operations; its owner, Joanne Ninomiya, had been the general manager of channel 13 when that station was Japanese-language KIKU-TV. This is unintuitive to keep track of. After rereading it a few times and turning it over in my head, I think the clauses in the first half of this sentence are the wrong way around. "JN Productions took over operations in 1993, changing the station's call sign to KIKU (or "with the station's call sign changing to KIKU", if there's a subtle distinction here)..." ...you want to keep the explicit connection that the callsign was that of a previous channel Ninomiya was connected to, but I can't find the ideal way to do so right now.
  • Reworded.
• Japanese text should be in {{lang}} or {{nihongo}}. The line between what's foreign-language text and what's not is kind of tricky (callsign shouldn't be, I think names shouldn't be but this has never been established...), but kiku as a word should be, and the kanji and hiragana for it definitely should be. Tokusatsu probably should be.
  • Done.
• Cite 3 suggests proto-KIKU was wholly Japanese-language between 1967 and 1970, which the article is less clear on (goes from "primarily Japanese" to "subtitles on its Japanese-language programming").
  • Mentioned.
• then-KTRG-TV is very hyphens -- is there no other way to put this?
  • Removed the call sign mention here.
• The chronological order of the third paragraph of "KIKU on channel 13" is somewhat confused. We discuss Ninomiya leaving the station in January after we discuss the changes in June. On a skim, it's easy to muddle the timeline here. I'm also not in love with the last sentence's phrasing, which is a little tangled up in clauses.
  • Fixed. @Vaticidalprophet: Changes to here: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:48, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

More to come. Vaticidalprophet 13:37, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

History

I don't have anything much to say about the text that's there -- it's well-written and utilizes the sources. However...

As you've mentioned a lot, broadcast station coverage tends to dry up in the past couple decades -- local news gets more corporatized, linear TV declines in cultural relevance. This is a lot less true here. The death and resurrection of KIKU's Asian-language programming is discussed by a lot of sources that aren't here, in greater depth than the ones that are. There's a lot of opportunity to contextualize the station's unique social role.

• "Japanese-Language Media in Hawaii", Kevin Y. Kawamoto, The Hawaii Herald was the newspaper's lead story for July 2021, and focuses both on the station's history and on the implications of its loss for Japanese-Hawaiian culture. There's a lot of discussion here and in a couple other sources of something not well touched-on by the article -- that it was difficult to license Japanese shows in the US. The greater discussion of its local programming might be worth a mention as well, as it's not necessarily intuitive that a foreign-language broadcaster will have locally produced content at all.
• "Hawaii residents disappointed over decision to drop KIKU-TV's popular Japanese and Filipino shows", Jayna Omaye, Hawaii Star-Advertiser discusses in greater depth the uproar following the announcement. There's some interesting stuff about the educational role the station played (e.g. helping children learn the language), and explicitly mentions the financial/class issues introduced by Japanese programming being exclusive to subscription/cable services. There's also some allusions to just how popular the shows were, which is imo a consistently important thing in these articles (if somewhere has local or distinctive programming, it's worth talking about how popular/unpopular it is).
• "Sharing Mana‘o", Kathy Collins, The Maui News is a first-person narrative about the columnist's reaction that includes interesting aspects, such as Kihara giving audiences her personal contact details and discussing the scope of the response.
• "iMedia's ShopHQ Set to Launch in 20+ Million High-Definition Homes in Top U.S. Markets", press release, Bloomberg is the guys who did it :) This is more of a query -- are any of these other stations of interest/note? The dissonance between the bloodless media announcement and the intensity of the response really stands out to me.
• "KIKU-TV returns after several months off air", Hawaii Star-Advertiser talks about the impact of the station's return, and in particular how huge a deal it was for older audiences (some of the other sources also get into demographics).
• "Hawaii's KIKU-TV Relaunches as Part of KITV4 Network", Adriana Hazra, Anime News Network mentions a desire to air "Hawaiian cultural programming" and to subtitle programming in English.

There's a lot of interest here. Some of these sources have more unique coverage than others, but none of them are in the article, and they're all worth a look. This is a very sociological subject, by the standards of these articles. I don't think the article is quite expressing the station's role in Japanese-Hawaiian culture yet. Vaticidalprophet 19:48, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Took a whack at adding more material, particularly in this vein, @Vaticidalprophet. I'd love your thoughts. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:17, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Last two sections post-expansion

Reading back over these now.

• The first two paragraphs of "Sale to WRNN-TV Associates; home shopping programming" are very proseline. Given their length, they can reasonably be consolidated and restructured into more of a coherent whole than an X-happened-on-Y-date.
• There's also some jargon in them that risks putting off the more general reader (e.g. part of a larger deal that RNN made for main-channel affiliations). It might be better to discuss this by naming more concrete things like the number of stations affected, the fact (per Peterson's quote in the Bloomberg press release) there was actively a desire to expand ShopHQ's accessibility to exclusively over-the-air viewers, etc.
• The impact of the leadup to the changeover for KIKU's programming (burning off episodes, but at least some series being abandoned completely) may be worth a mention, probably in the consolidated-paragraph.
• Pacific Business News says the lack of local ads was only one reason for the local studio's closure?
• including among the older viewers I don't think that "the" is necessary, and I wonder if "including" (rather than something like "in particular"/"particularly") undersells the degree to which they were disproportionately impacted.
• The general manager of KITV noted that -- "said" is fine here.

That should hopefully be it. Vaticidalprophet 18:39, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Last revisions @Vaticidalprophet. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:05, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

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