Talk:Justin De Fratus/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Newyorkadam (talk · contribs) 18:07, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take this one– happy to read an article on a Phillie :) I'll try to get to this soon, but no promises that it'll be today. -Newyorkadam (talk) 18:07, 21 February 2015 (UTC)Newyorkadam[reply]

Alright I'll just do some comments from a quick first read. -Newyorkadam (talk) 18:21, 21 February 2015 (UTC)Newyorkadam[reply]

Quick-glance comments:

It seems as though every other Phillies GA has the first section titled "Early life", rather than "Early career". I also think it should be expanded to include info about his early life growing up, such as childhood and high school (did he play baseball in high school)?
Most MLB career sections are sectioned off by date– is this one not because he went back-and-forth between the majors and minors (If so, that would make sense)? That seems to have become the norm with players' GAs, but it might make sense not to include in this article.
Is there any commentary by writers on his pitching style, maybe describing how effective, or ineffective, it is?
Is there anything else you can add to his Personal life section? I'm sure there's more to his life off the field than just being Catholic.
Refs 4 & 12 are both down (sent to error pages). I couldn't find archives on either of them from a quick glance.

Comments: I see you've made a few changes based on my comments above. I don't think the article is ready for me to do suggest copyedit changes, but here are a few moar comments:

Infobox and pictures look good, but please add alt text. The pictures could be better but from a quick Google/Commons/Flickr search I couldn't find anything better that can be used on WP.
Pitching style could definitely have moar information. He's a pitcher, there's moar to his ballplay than three sentences.
Personal section is starting to look better.
As I said above, please add moar to his Early life section– a sentence or two on childhood and growing up, and a few moar sentences on high school ball (if he played).

Once the above is addressed I'll read through the entire thing and offer moar specific suggestions. -Newyorkadam (talk) 17:04, 23 February 2015 (UTC)Newyorkadam[reply]

General comments: First, my free time in real life this week and next week is extremely limited, but I will do the best I can. The early life v. career thing was poor writing on my part. I have scoured the internet and my personal Phillies resources for information or a feature article on his childhood, and unfortunately, the most I can find is what is there. That is not to say it isn't out there; I have not found it in some extensive research, though. Most coverage of his personal life centers on his Catholicism, but I did find one other incident from this offseason; how do you think it does in regards to WP:UNDUE? Not sure what the deal is with those refs; they are MLB.com ... perhaps they will come back. I will check in a few days. As far as his effectiveness, I have tried to integrate that in with the main season article [see comment about effective middle relief despite being overshadowed by Ken Giles in pro career section]. For sectioning off years, your assumption is correct. Also, he has not been around long enough to know what year groupings might make the most sense ... I will see if I can find any patterns to date to begin cognitively discerning a path forward for that in the future. What other information would you like to see in the pitcher profile? Thanks for taking on the review. Go Phightins! 04:18, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry if it takes you a bit to get this done– You had to wait a month for this review since nominating and I'll give you at least two weeks if needed to fix things up. I'll do some researching meself about his childhood/early life– it's gotta be out there somewhere. For WP:UNDUE, if you can't find much else to put there, I think that's better than nothing. I'll look for moar on that as well. I haven't looked at the part about effectiveness yet, I will soon. What you said about sectioning off is fine. Pitcher profile, maybe you could discuss how he has modified his pitching style since college (if he has). That section's looking a bit on the short side at the moment, I'm sure there's moar. I'll look too. Once again, don't worry if you can't get it done this week or next, it took a month to get to the review anyway. -Newyorkadam (talk) 04:30, 24 February 2015 (UTC)Newyorkadam[reply]

I added to the pitching style section. Go Phightins! 21:19, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good! Nice quotation selection. -Newyorkadam (talk) 01:37, 2 March 2015 (UTC)Newyorkadam[reply]

Great. Were you able to find anything related to his early life besides the basic high school stuff I have in there now? At this point, if you want to do a prose review, the other two sections are beefed up as per your initial review. Go Phightins! 01:57, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Strangely small amount of info about his life before the majors. In one of the sources for his high school, it mentions he played against Delmon Young in HS and it was a big deal to him. Maybe include that? The same source also says he looked up to Brad Lidge. Again, strange how little information there seems to be... I'll do a prose review within a few days, thanks for the work so far. -Newyorkadam (talk) 03:43, 2 March 2015 (UTC)Newyorkadam[reply]

Review:

"in Oxnard, California and played in high school"->"in Oxnard, California and baseball played in high school"
"In the 2007 Major League Baseball Draft, the Phillies selected him in the 11th round."->"The Phillies selected him in the 11th round of the 2007 Major League Baseball Draft" (not necessary, I just think it sounds better)
The lede paragraphs should probably mention him being sent back down. They should in general have at least a few moar sentences, they're looking a bit on the shorter side at the moment.
"and assigned him to the GCL Phillies,"->"and assigned him to the Gulf Coast League Phillies, the Rookie Level minor league affiliate of the Phillies,"
"The next season, 2008, he pitched for the Williamsport Crosscutters, and went 6–5 with a 3.67 ERA in 14 starts." Maybe mention whether the Crosscutters were a step up for him (or not)?
It's kind of hard for me to tell whether sentences are covered by the first ref or not, since I don't have the 2014 Phillies Media Guide. Is "He took his first crack at relief pitching with the Lakewood Blue Claws, and ultimately began to flourish, earning Phillies minor league player of the week honors, and a spot in the South Atlantic League all-star game." in the guide? Either way, can you find a ref online for it? It's a fairly big thing that should be easy to find a ref for.
"After the season, he participated in the Florida Instructional League." again, maybe say whether or not this was a step up or not.
"He began the 2011 season with Double-A Reading" -> "De Fratus began the 2011 season with Double-A Reading" (put his name in place of "He", since it's a new paragraph, and clarify what team he started the season with)
"before making his MLB debut on"->"before making his MLB debut with the Philadelphia Phillies on"
"and he went onto pitch four more"->"and he went on to pitch four more"
"Before 2012, like in 2011,[8] He was given an opportunity to open the season in the Phillies bullpen, but ended up injuring his shoulder, and missing much of the season."->"Before 2012, like in 2011,[8] he was given an opportunity to open the season in the Phillies' bullpen, but ended up injuring his shoulder, causing him to miss much of the season." A few changes here, "He" should be lowercased, Phillies is possessive (should be Phillies' bullpen), and I reworded the last sentence for clarify. Also, I didn't see ref 8 saying he was given an opportunity to open the bullpen in 2011, but I might just be missing it.
"By 2013, he was a regular member of the bullpen"->"By 2013, De Fratus was a regular member of the bullpen" (same as above, new paragraph)
"He did break spring training 2014 with the major league team, but after four appearances, he was optioned back"->"He broke spring training 2014 with the major league team, but after four appearances, was optioned back" minor change, you don't have to change it if you think it's better the other way around
"and was among the best in the major leagues in early June."->"and was among the best in the major leagues in early June according to...." (do you think my change is needed?)
according to that source -- added "statistically" Go Phightins! 19:07, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"De Fratus' drastically improved command helped him halve his career walk rate – he walked just 5.5% of batters he faced in 2014, which"->" De Fratus' drastically improved command helped him halve his career walk rate – he walked just 5.5% of batters he faced in 2014, compared to his old average of x.x%, which". Again, not sure if this is necessary– what do you think?
I think "halve" pretty much covers it. Go Phightins! 19:07, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Although he was overshadowed by the emergence of Ken Giles,"->"Although he was overshadowed by the emergence of fellow relief pitcher Ken Giles," (although it seems Giles closes occasionally)

@Go Phightins!: I'll do the rest later, this article has potential to be a GA after some fixes . Lemme know if you need any help! -Newyorkadam (talk) 02:26, 5 March 2015 (UTC)Newyorkadam[reply]

All done. Go Phightins! 19:07, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Go Phightins!: Regarding #6, I don't see anything about his being in the South Atlantic League all-star game in the ref you gave. Also, #11, Phillies should be possessive there, and does the ref it uses mention whether he was given an opportunity to open the bullpen in 2011? Nice job! -Newyorkadam (talk) 03:30, 6 March 2015 (UTC)Newyorkadam[reply]

Going to bed now, but quick note: most of the minor league highlights are from the media guide, about the only comprehensive source for that stuff. Go Phightins! 04:14, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Where do we stand, Newyorkadam? Go Phightins! 03:15, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Go Phightins!: I apologize—I'll finish my read-through soon and provide comments. -Newyorkadam (talk) 04:46, 15 March 2015 (UTC)Newyorkadam[reply]

Continuing, sorry for the delay...

"De Fratus's pitching repertoire; the fastball averages"=>"De Fratus's pitching repertoire; his fastball averages"
"while the slider is"->"while his slider is"
"although he does not total as many strikeouts as some relievers, he is a dependable piece in the Phillies' bullpen." according to? (do you think this change is needed?)
"De Fratus is a devout Roman Catholic who, though he was raised"->"De Fratus is a devout Roman Catholic who, though raised"
"proselytize"->"proselytize" (wikilink)
What do you think about wikilinking Bill Baer?

Again, sorry for the delay @Go Phightins!: -Newyorkadam (talk) 15:38, 17 March 2015 (UTC)Newyorkadam[reply]

@Go Phightins!: Thanks, finishing up... Refs 4 & 12 are down. I'll also spend a few minutes looking for a bit moar on Early Life— there's gotta be something! After that it should be a pass, good work :) -Newyorkadam (talk) 02:11, 19 March 2015 (UTC)Newyorkadam[reply]

@Newyorkadam: Should be done. Refs fixed. Go Phightins! 18:19, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Go Phightins!: http://www.devonprep.com/2014/04/joe-orsatti/, http://catholicphilly.com/2014/05/news/people-and-events/devon-prep-freshman-aces-interview-with-catholic-phillies-pitcher/, http://patch.com/pennsylvania/te/phillies-pitcher-helps-devon-prep-freshman-ace-religion-project maybe something there? -Newyorkadam (talk) 18:10, 26 March 2015 (UTC)Newyorkadam[reply]

Read the article (same article in all three) -- there's really nothing about his early life that I don't already have covered. Go Phightins! 13:54, 30 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
	2c. it contains no original research.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	Early life, Pitching style, and Personal sections are lacking in content.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	No active editors other than the nominator
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	Images are all used properly
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
	7. Overall assessment.

Final decision comment: Passed! Congrats :D -Newyorkadam (talk) 16:09, 9 April 2015 (UTC)Newyorkadam[reply]