Talk:Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths

Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths

I have add it Wonder Woman, Green Lantern/Hal Jordan, Martain Manhunter & Flash because I saw them in a trailer on youtube while explaining Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths. --Hasbro sp 04:10, 8 october 2009 (UTC)

I changed Earth 2 to Earth 3, because technically, the CSA is based on the villinous alternates of the comics, and they are from Earth 3 Green Herring (talk) 20:12, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Alter Egos on the CSA

No offense, but saying that the alter egos of the CSA is speculation is wrong. It is fact. Read "JLA: Earth 2" or any of the other stuff about the CSA and you'd learn that yes, Owlman is Thomas Wayne, Super Woman on her world does go by "Lois Lane", and despite the different origin Ultraman is called Clark Kent.Anicomicgeek (talk) 00:59, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the alter egos of the CSA is speculation as there has been THREE versions of them: Earth-Three, Qwardians from the Anti-Monitor universe, and the Anti-mater Earth one shown in "JLA: Earth 2" as explained in the Crime Syndicate page. There are many elements from many sources: the public being against the Crime Syndicate as well as bomb Owlman is building (a variation of a right at the end plot twist) is nearly straight from Fox's 1964 version, the ruthlessness and tough attitude of the SuperEnemies ("Universe of Evil" episode--1979 "World's Greatest SuperFriends") and Injustice Syndicate (The Brave and the Bold episode "Deep Cover for Batman!"), and the mob like mentality (JLA: Earth 2) and expanded in the Syndicate Rules saga.

Also I'm not sure if this is fan speculation or revealed in the comics but the Owlman of the Earth-Three CSA is reported to be Thomas Wayne Senior ie the counterpart of Batman's father and of anti-matter Owlman's father.--BruceGrubb (talk) 09:34, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Olympiad

Who provides the voice for the character Olympiad, who is the evil version of Wonder Woman? Artemisboy (talk) 22:47, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Actually Superwoman(in DC Canon) is the CS evil version of Wonder Woman. Superwoman is an amazon as well as being Lois Lane. If by Olympiad, you mean the spear carrying amazon WW fights later, that has to be Donna Troy, with a little Artemis thrown in. but we are still waiting for more interviews from the creative team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tphile2 (talk • contribs) 18:57, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

I thought the film's writer, Dwayne McDuffie, said that the Superwoman in the film was actually the evil counterpart to Mary Marvel and that Wonder Woman's true evil double was Olympiad, the girl with the spear? Stated Here Artemisboy (talk) 06:15, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Dwayne McDuffie seems to be confused as to who Superwoman is, in the scene where the alternate Lex Luthor explains who the "made men" are, there is a picture of Mary Marvel's counterpart, below the Crime Syndicate family heads. This would seem to indicate that Superwoman is indeed Wonder Woman, "Olympiad" is Donna Troy and the girl pictured is the real Mary Marvel of that universe. 96.80.39.173 (talk) 05:38, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Dwayne McDuffie wrote the movie, and he says Superwoman is:

Superwoman is indeed a Mary Marvel analogue. Her three main "Made Men" are the lieutenant Marvels (note that their costumes all match). Later in the story, Wonder Woman fights "Olympiad," intended as a Wonder Woman analogue. http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=10558994#post10558994

So who knows what her alter ego is (the movie doesn't make it clear), but the "counterpart" doesn't seem to be in dispute. In addition, I think JLA Earth 2 isn't really relevant here, any more than any Green Lantern comic is relevant to the Justice League cartoon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.108.96.247 (talk) 02:43, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Superwoman is the analogue to Wonder Woman since she was created, but if you want to base your opinion on a "forum source" or independent research go ahead; I don't want to get into an edit war. For this particular cartoon, I would agree that the writer (who appears as the forum source) took serious license with whom Superwoman is supposed to represent and Mary Marvel does make the best sense for this cartoon only. 76.199.1.32 (talk)Eric Ferguson —Preceding undated comment added 01:28, 3 March 2010 (UTC).

Nobody's arguing that McDuffie's word goes any farther than this particular script. As it does regard this script, though, it's pretty cut and dried - Superwoman is Mary Marvel (ish), and Olympiad is as close as the Crime Syndicate comes to having a Wonder Woman. ShaleZero (talk) 00:16, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually Dwayne McDuffie seems to be confused as to who Superwoman is, in the scene where the alternate Lex Luthor explains who the "made men" are, there is a picture of Mary Marvel's counterpart, below the Crime Syndicate family heads. This would seem to indicate that Superwoman is indeed Wonder Woman, "Olympiad" is Donna Troy and the girl pictured is the real Mary Marvel of that universe. 96.80.39.173 (talk) 05:39, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Counterparts section

I've removed the following table:

Counterparts

CSA Earth	JLA Earth
Ultraman	Superman
Owlman	Batman
Superwoman	Mary Marvel
Johnny Quick	The Flash
Power Ring	Green Lantern
J'edd J'arkus	Martian Manhunter
Angelique	Hawkgirl
Captain Super	Captain Marvel
Captain Super Jr.	Captain Marvel Jr.
Uncle Super	Uncle Marvel
Jester	Joker
Red Archer	Green Arrow
Scream Queen	Black Canary
Mr. Action	Jimmy Olsen
Extruded Man	Elongated Man
Black Power	Black Lightning
Warwolf	Lobo
Gypsy Woman	Gypsy
Vamp	Vixen
Model Citizen	Looker
Aurora	Halo
Sai	Katana
Breakdance	Vibe
Olympia	Wonder Woman
President Slade Wilson	Deathstroke
Rose Wilson	Ravager (Rose Wilson)
Lex Luthor	Lex Luthor

While there might be solid citations connecting one to another, there appears to wholesale extrapolation going on. I don't oppose a revised list being re-added that cites each counterparting. It was removed because I don't want to cock up the table by purging every single character that doesn't have a citable reference. Understand that we cannot add them unless we have a citation noting them as counterparts.
I also removed the linking to Captain Super, Cap Super Jr. and Uncle Super to the Captains Marvel, as there exists no citable connection for the comparison. - 207.181.235.214 (talk) 05:29, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

F.Y.I. Since this is a talk page and all I can say that the DC Wikia page has a great page that details all the characters from the film regardless of their significance portrayed. This is not a ref or source which is why I'm putting that info Here, and not There. DC Wikia - Crisis on Two Earths (all characters)D-MF-L (talk) 17:10, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

<Block Quote> Justice Underground

Why is the Lex Luthor's Justice League referred to in this article as the Justice Underground? I know it was that way in the Kurt Busiek arc of Syndicate Rules, but in this film Luthor's group was specifically referred to as a Justice League. (Even the table had J.L. initials on it, but J.U.) I am just curious if this is a case of wiki editing that is done by people who haven't seen the movie?67.190.43.65 (talk) 02:40, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Justice League: Doom is sequel?

I haven't heard of Doombeing a sequel to Crisit; are there any references of this being the case? I know the DCU animated universe, but each entrant isn't a sequel to the entrants before it. I'll wait before either purging the subsection, and incorporating it into the Doom article instead, sans the unreferenced 'sequel' characterization. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 22:45, 18 December 2017 (UTC)