Talk:Junior Mance

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A notice about "does not assert the importance or significance of the subject" was added while I was creating this page. I believe Mance's importance is self-evident from the existing mentions of him on other Wikipedia pages, but in addition I have since added to his biography. Consider that he has been recognized as the member of a hall of fame; serves as a faculty member at a prestigious American university; has worked with other notable Jazz musicians; and has recorded over thirty albums as a leader, many of which are widely-available online and in record stores, for well-known Jazz record lables. Szarka 07:49, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Source

Most of the article looks copied from http://www.juniormance.com/biography.php It could be the other way round, but that seems unlikely. I'll rewrite and get better sources when I have time. EddieHugh (talk) 23:51, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I just noticed this, too. I've added and changed some small bits in the biography section, but it may need quite a bit more work. Sunspot Soldier (talk) 10:46, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Using the Internet Archive Wayback Machine, the biography on Mance's website predates the 4 December 2007 edit by 74.72.50.103, which looks like a direct copy from Mance's site. We should rewrite that material. Sunspot Soldier (talk) 06:20, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've completed rewriting the biography largely using interviews with the artist, and the discography is close to comprehensive. I think there are sufficient citations now that the BLP notice can be removed. The "100 Gold Fingers" info seems excessive (I found many more names not originally listed), but as there is no article for this group it seemed worthy of inclusion. Debating if the section breaks need adjusting or renaming. Sunspot Soldier (talk) 03:30, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for all your work on it: I forgot about this one, as I was improving articles on other jazz pianists. I've removed the tag. I'd get rid of the list of 100 GF players as they're not really relevant to the Junior Mance page... why not create an article? EddieHugh (talk) 16:57, 22 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure! I have yet to create an article from scratch, and there isn't a whole lot more info about this group (that I've found), but I'll keep your suggestion in mind. Sunspot Soldier (talk) 8:23 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Citations

‎EddieHugh, my intent with the recent changes was to abide by Wikipedia guidelines, specifically regarding citation overkill and needless repetition, even though putting them in each salient spot was a lot of work and appealed to the former academic in me. Sunspot Soldier (talk) 21:44, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's what I guessed, but that page is an essay and thus just an opinion. Particularly for an article still being expanded, such as the one on Mance, I think that including citations for each sentence / separately sourced part of a sentence is preferable, as, without this, no-one can tell just by looking whether a sentence is unsourced or sourced. Anyone expanding later is thus given the task of finding the (possible) stated source and checking if the information is in that source or not. Leaving them in prevents that doubt and wasting of time. EddieHugh (talk) 23:01, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]