Talk:Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2015/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Italian title song translation

I'm from Italy. "Viva" is the english "Long live". EXAMPLE: "Evviva l'amore!" is translated into "Long live love!". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.181.97.226 (talk) 22:02, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Regarding Norway

i think you can rule out NRK as they have economical problems and have to fire 100 staff members. tv 2 however i have no information about.84.213.46.153 (talk) 17:54, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

We need a firm confirmation from a reliable source. -- [[ axg // ✉ ]] 18:39, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

The IP may wish to refer to Talk:Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2015/Archive 1#Norway is unlikely to return, which ironically the same IP created that thread too. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 11:59, 29 January 2015 (UTC) there should at least be some mention of the country, at least in other countries.84.213.45.196 (talk) 17:21, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Citation ownership

One specific website has been making several aggressive demands (all listed below) that we only use them for verifying citations. Making such demands goes against the spirit of Wikipedia including WP:OWN and WP:PSTS. This pointy-pushing behaviour is unacceptable, especially when the website has now engaged in an edit war type tactic between themselves an a rival website. This was more evident in reference to news reports about Germany making a début. NDR in reply to Eurovoix's email stated they are still looking into making a début. ESC+Plus stated that NDR "allegedly" said they would not take part. Eurovoix then reported back that NDR are still making a decision. Whilst ESC+Plus then came back with a new published report stating that Eurovoix were "lying". If this continues then I would be lobbying for a WikiProject Eurovision ban on using ESC+Plus as a source. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 14:34, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

The Netherlands

Hello, there is a mistake regarding the Dutch confirmation, The Netherlands confirmed participation on September 27 as published on ESC+Plus.com (the same day) and there is a source to a post by eurovoix published on September 28 (a day later). Please, add the real source: ESC+Plus Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.0.41.198 (talk) 15:49, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

• As I pointed out yesterday, it does not matter who published the news first, it comes down to the matter of where the contributor finds the sourced information. Whether it be Eurovoix, ESCToday, ESCDaily, ESC Bubble, or any of the other sources listed as reliable. Demanding that we should change a source to ESC-plus purely because they published the news first, is just being petty. Variety is the spice of life, and that includes variety in sourced websites. Please also refer to WP:ONESOURCE and WP:OWNSITE which further elaborates on this topic. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 10:35, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Bulgaria

Hello, the new about that Junior Eurovision 2015 was going to take place in Bulgaria was firstly published by ESC+Plus. Please, source that site as it is also a realiable web-site and eurovoix published it after ESC+Plus.com. Add the right source, thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.0.41.198 (talk) 15:55, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

We are to use a variety of sources when citing content within articles. It does not matter which website published the news first - it comes down to which website the contributor found the information. All this is per WP:SOURCE and WP:PSTS. If we start using only one website then it would be seen as favouritism, biased approach, and could also look like paid editing. Please also refer to WP:ONESOURCE and WP:OWNSITE which further elaborates on this topic. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 16:36, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

And with all respect to esc-plus, but it was BNT who published the news first. Followed again by BNT in this second publication. As there is no actual time stamp on Eurovoix or ESC-plus only the same date of 26 January - then it would be impossible to guess who is telling the truth about who published their news seconds/minutes/hours before the other. If one wants to be petty over who did what first, then BNT's citation would ultimately be the first to have broken the news. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 16:43, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Slovenia

Slovenia has just confirmed participation, add it on the list of participating countries. Source: ESC+Plus & RTVSLO — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.0.47.210 (talk) 13:24, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Is this the same set of IP addresses from editors at ESC-Plus who have previously been demanding that we use only their website as a source of information? If so, then being pushy is not cooperative and may result in the use of other websites as citation of published information. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 16:30, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

I am just informing you. ESC+Plus published that info so, it is the source — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.0.47.210 (talk) 16:54, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

It is not the source, it is a source, one that has also been published by other websites. One could say they are the source too, but they are just a collection of sources, as is ESC+Plus. And as was point out a few days ago, we have to air on caution when it comes to using only one website for sourcing all content. Per the guidelines at WP:PSTS we need to use multiple sources when it comes to citing content. Sticking to just one website alone makes it come acorss as paid editing. And if the same IPs continue to add the content themselves makes it become citing of self-published material. Variety is the spice of life, and we need to make sure that we use different citations every time, no matter which website broke the news first. There has already been and is still ongoing, a debate via WikiProject Eurovision in regards to sources, as one website has start to plagiarise our content and then claiming the wording to be their own. So citing from different websites is vital at this present time. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 17:13, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

It also violates conflict of interest, something which can result in blocking sanctions or even the website being banned from use of citation by WikiProject Eurovision. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 17:18, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Armenia

Armenian Head of Delegation Gohar Gasparyan has exclusively informed to ESC+Plus they will make an announcement in May. If you want to add the info: Armenian source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.0.47.210 (talk) 16:56, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

See my comment above. I think it is wise to wait for other sources for now, in order to avoid wandering into one-source and potential "paid editing" territory. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 17:13, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

I find it rather ironic that the IP who has posted the last two threads for #Slovenia and this one, plus all the others in which demands are made to change all citations to ESC-Plus, have provided sources links all of which come from the same ESC-Plus editor - of whom was indefinitely blocked. I sincerely hope these IP's are not from the blocked editor BelénESCPlus (talk · contribs). If they are, then it poses question and doubt on whether these sources should be used, removed, or alternative websites used. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 17:32, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Georgia

If Georgia isn't fully confirmed for the Contest, why is being put on the list of provisional participants? Or if it has been fully confirmed - why is not being coloured in? Some discrepencies going on here... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.43.91.42 (talk) 09:40, 25 March 2015 (UTC) It is officially confirmed now, but it wasn't! Georgia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.0.47.176 (talk) 22:45, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Greece

Hello, I kindly ask you to add the right source to the information regarding the Greek participation. I can see an article which itself includes another source which is the original one. ESC+Plus exclusively got the information, not eurovoix (as you can read on eurovoix). Thanks Greece

As has been noted several times now, we will use whatever sources are found at the time, regardless of "who published the news first". The source for Greece is perfectly fine, and should not be changed to ESC+Plus as that makes it look like we are being paid to use a specific website only. Continued requests of this nature, will result in the ESC+Plus website from being banned by WikiProject Eurovision, as a reliable source. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 11:18, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Viewing the source at Eurovoix, they state yourself and ERT as their source of information, which makes it perfectly fine within the rules of primary, secondary and tertiary sources. Both ERT and ESC+Plus would be the primary sources, Eurovoix the secondary.The rules of citations means we are not to use the primary source, if a secondary one is available. As Eurovoix are the secondary, then they take higher priority over ESC+Plus in this circumstance. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 11:24, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Belarus

Belarus will not only choose their artist in their National Selection, but also the song. Like they do every year. Now Wikipedia sais they will only choose their artist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.81.31.2 (talk) 07:21, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

That is because the source used only mentions the artists being selected, and not the song. Per WP:CITE and WP:V rules, we can only mention what has been cited within a reliable source, in order to provide verifiable content. We can not publish original thought as that breaks Wikipedia's rules on original research. If there are more recent sources now available (other than esc-plus, which has now been banned by WikiProject Eurovision), that verify the artist and song will be selected, then the article can be updated accordingly. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 10:04, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Belarus will select its Junior Eurovision 2015 entry in a live television show on 21 August. According to official site www.junioreurovision.tv. No artist, but an entry :). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.81.31.2 (talk) 06:29, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

The term "entry" is rather ambiguous. Because, an artist is an entry; a song is an entry; and both artist and song combined are an entry. Because no matter which way you look at it – artist; song; artist & song – they will be "entering" the Junior Eurovision 2015 final. Wes Mouse | ^T@lk 09:47, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Venue

Should a picture of the venue be added? I've noticed that most Junior articles don't include one. Any reason why? Thanks, Fort esc (talk) 20:41, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Adding pictures of venues is a good idea in principle, though please bear in mind that photographs of existing buildings cannot be uploaded as non-free content (fair use) as per WP:NFCCP, criterion one. In other words, taking copyrighted images of such buildings from the internet and uploading them here as fair use is not allowed. Any such photographs must be under a free license and so should preferably be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. CT Cooper · talk 21:26, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

San Marino?

Is San Marino confirmed because on the map San Marino is still grey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.200.186.137 (talk) 01:03, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

I won't change its colour on the map because the source for them is a blog and blogs aren't allowed. So San Marino should be removed from the list. D97v (talk) 15:22, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Ok Thank you and I was wondering why San Marino was on the list so it would be better if it was removed. Thank You! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.200.186.137 (talk) 01:21, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 July 2015

F.Y.R. Macedonia confirmed participation - https://twitter.com/Ya_VladislaV/status/624590972052115456 Itsmemilo (talk) 15:32, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

The article has already been updated. However, we cannot use twitter as a source per WP:Twitter. Also @NAXAlc: has used a citation that has been banned, and it needs to be changed immediately. Wes Mouse ✒ 16:49, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Lithuania

Did Lithuania confirmed their non-participation or not? It's coloured yellow on the map but it's not under the 'Other Countries' section, though.

There are no confirmations of participation or not from any reputable sources. So the map should be changed. Thanks for making us aware of the error. Wes Mouse ✒ 18:24, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

I have a reliable source for Lithuania. D97v (talk) 18:11, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

@D97V: You are approximately 9 days late. I already updated the article with that very source on 26 July 2015. Wes Mouse ✒ 21:01, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2015

Can their be a List that their are countries who have no interest or decline to participate in the contest and countries who have yet to announce their participation

TravelEXPO20 (talk) 03:06, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

@TravelEXPO20: we already have such details in the 'other countries' section. No country can be added to that section unless there are sources to verify content; otherwise we'd be violating original research. Wes Mouse ✒ 14:47, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Removal of content

Hi @Wesley Mouse: could you take a look at my recent edit(s), it has been reverted but i think it should remain on the page. Thanks, Fort esc (talk) 22:08, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

@Fort esc:. EuroFan98 is correct. Information on when a country last broadcast the contest is more relevant to the [Country] in JESC articles. It holds no due weight on the annual contest articles. Wes Mouse ✒ 22:11, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Germany were officially on the list of participants in 2003, shouldn't that be mentioned at least? I would have moved the text once Germany had its own page. Fort esc (talk) 22:17, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Germany's appearance on the 2003 list, albeit preliminary, is worth mentioning. As for the other information, as those countries do not have their own articles, then the information is better being annotated at List of countries in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest - which upon inspection, those details are already there. Wes Mouse ✒ 22:20, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

• @EuroFan98: as this dispute is regarding yourself, then it is only fair that you are pinged and made aware of its existence. Wes Mouse ✒ 22:22, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

@Fort esc: Any update on the removal of this content? Its been three days since it was noted that the mentioning of a country's last broadcast is irrelevant to these annual articles. Wes Mouse ✒ 20:29, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

It hasn't been removed, i guessed that you would've done that? I've been busy creating all the [Country] in the Eurovision Young Dancers templates. Thanks, Fort esc (talk) 20:58, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

@Fort esc: really, as you were the one to raise the second opinion on the subject, after reverting EuroFan98, then the burden is with the reverter (yourself), not the advisor (myself). I believe it is also part of the bold, revert, discussion conduct. Besides, I am only operating a semi-active role on Wikipedia, as I am extremely busy in real-life, due to preparations for moving house. I merely pop on here and check on things in-between packing boxes. Wes Mouse ✒ 23:23, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

who removed norway from the other contries section

it should be added back as it is not participating. NRK officially does not recognise the contest.84.213.45.196 (talk) 16:01, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2015

I hate redirects. 173.49.72.168 (talk) 23:54, 1 November 2015 (UTC)