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Q1: Why does this article refer to the Republic of Macedonia as Macedonia? Shouldn't this country be referred to as the F.Y.R. Macedonia (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia), as that is what the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) call it in the contest to avoid confusion with Greek Macedonia?

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Is Oikotimes reliable?

There have been lots of discussions about using Oikotimes as a source, and I think the consensus is that it's not reliable enough. Can we use it to consider participants as confirmed? Not A Superhero (talk) 17:53, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you. Oikotimes isn't a reliable source. Who wrote this news has seen the confirmed countries in wikipedia, and the article was vandalized including Bulgaria and Georgia in the same moment of the publication in oikotimes (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Junior_Eurovision_Song_Contest_2013&diff=549692204&oldid=549691706). Also, in other sources there isn't information of it. Sorry for my bad english. JoseDLG (talk) 23:17, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The website is not reliable. And definitly not good as a source for a Wikipedia article. This site does not value objectivity nor safety of their articles credibility.--BabbaQ (talk) 23:38, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Spain

Is it really safe to return to Spain? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.3.107.215 (talk) 13:52, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Spain have been added to the "other countries" section with a brief explanation regarding their news. Until an official announcement is made regarding their return, then Spain must remain in this section. Wesley Mᴥuse 14:04, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Only 8 countries competing?

Resolved

No country has ben saying since april that they will be competing. If no more country are interested, can JESC 2013 be canceled? --83.226.69.150 (talk) 14:09, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We are only an encyclopaedia and do not make the decision as to whether Junior Eurovision will be cancelled, that is a choice which can only be made by the European Broadcasting Union (EBU). According to news reports on the web, the EBU are to publish the final list of participating countries by the end of September 2013. So we will know more by then. Wesley Mᴥuse 14:02, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Thank you! --83.226.69.150 (talk) 14:14, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is esc-plus reliable?

It is a new page about the contest and they are posting a lot, I think it's reliable enough. Ivantrejo41 (talk)

We haven't used them before on other ESC/JESC articles, but that isn't to say it is because they are unreliable. I, personally, always welcome using newly founded media sources, as it is only fair to give them a chance to start up a business. But as is with any never before used website, treat with caution until we can 100% trust in their reliability. If ever you come in doubt over a new website, then you could always check the following links: WP:RS, WP:QUESTIONABLE, WP:SOURCE, and WP:SPS; they tend to give reasonable guidance on how to determine whether a source is reliable enough. Wesley Mᴥuse 17:24, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should use them as they are having sometimes exclusive news, or are one of the poor list of Jesc sources in english --Ivantrejo41 (talk) 14:10, 3 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ilya Volkov

Plz, add the name of song in cyrillic in parenthesis: "Poy so mnoy" (Пой со мной). It's a correct, 'cause I'm Russian. Alex Great (talk) 05:33, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done - Thanks, I wasn't sure how it was written in Cyrillic text. Wesley Mᴥuse 05:40, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

12 Countries (Confirmed)

Please remove that, because it isn't. Just because the rehearsal schedule has positions for 12 countries, that doesn't mean we have a final number. Also, it's a draft schedule that isn't actually available in its full public form yet - just a sneak peek on twitter. We will have the final list very soon, but don't take the draft schedule as Gospel truth! Luke Fisher (talk) 14:01, 07 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.147.100 (talk) [reply]

I sincerely hope you are not the Luke Fisher from escXtra, as we may have to be more cautious if you started to contribute to the article in case there are violations of conflict of interest and publishing of one's own sources. However, in regards to the source that was used stipulating 12 confirmed countries, I have remove it. The source used was of a photographed image, which did not provide any clarification or verification that the data even had connections to JESC. We really need a better and more reliable source in order for us to add such information, and not only that if we were to say "12" confirmed then we would need 12 countries in the confirmed table, not 9. Wesley Mᴥuse 15:51, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Junior Eurovision 2013 stage design conpleted

Hurry up and put the stage design for 2013 on Wikipedia! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.119.15.168 (talk) 08:51, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rome wasn't built in a day. Please do not order editors to rush on a whim. There is a real world beyond cyberspace. Wesley Mᴥuse 22:50, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you go and see eurovoix you will find the stage design! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.81.92 (talk) 09:44, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Lithuania

Lithuania is coloured yellow on the map yet isn't mentioned in the article as revealing that they won't compete. Is this a mistake or did I miss something? Jjj1238 (talk) 03:20, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looked at the map revisions and a user has added a source as ESCKAZ, which does have quotes from the Lithuanian delegation member Audrius Giržadas. The page is in one lump and uncopyable, so it's best to use Ctrl+F to find it. -- [[ axg // ✉ ]] 10:26, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Norway not returning

https://twitter.com/JuniorESCPress/statuses/393087799924383744 Norway aren't returning. Xinxaa (talk) 19:03, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Switzerland Not Returning

Switzerland will not be back for 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.79.191 (talk) 20:21, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Spain, Greece and Switzerland's situation - Not a reliable source?

According to the the JESC 2013 Map, Spain, Greece and Switzerland will not return, but the source seems like it is not reliable. http://eurovoix.com/2013/10/23/kiev13-who-are-the-12th-13th-country/ There aren't any other reliable sources that confirm this, and Greece and Switzerland do not appear in the Other Countries section of the article. Spain is listed as "may participate". Is the source provided on the file reliable? --Yonicstudios (talk) 12:16, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

These were all listed on Twitter by the Junior Eurovision Twitter account from my understanding or by other websites, this where I think Eurovoix got that list from. Moldova96 (talk) 20:21, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The map is bad

Yellow means "Countries that participated in the past but will not in 2013". For example, France, Poland, Romania is missing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.236.68.196 (talk) 17:00, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Probably because we've not got round to uploading the final version yet. We're only human. Wesley Mᴥuse 17:20, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

UK Broadcast Details

Given that I'll be doing the commentary with Luke Fisher, you can update that part of the page now (see http://www.ewanspence.com/blog/2013/11/21/hello-im-ewan-spence-and-ill-be-the-united-kingdoms-eurovision-commentator-later-this-month/ and JESC Press on Twitter https://twitter.com/juniorescpress/status/403546015820947456 for citations). -- Ewan Spence (http://www.twitter.com/ewan) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.158.125 (talk) 15:33, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Two more appropriate sources were used, to avoid WP:SELFPUBLISH and WP:COI. Wes Mᴥuse 09:54, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Should this page have a 'returning artist' section?

The Belorussian entry (Ilya Volkov) was one of Egor Zheshko's backing dancers last year. He returns as the main vocalist this year.Preeeeetut (talk) 09:40, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not really, no. The term "returning artist" refers to a singer/backing vocalist. Backing dancers unfortunately do not count. Although information on the fact Ilya was a backing dancer in 2012 would be more relevant to Belarus in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest. Wes Mᴥuse 09:50, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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