Talk:Jungle cat

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Did you know... that despite its name, the jungle cat eschews rainforests and woodlands, and prefers swamps?

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Picture

Please give picture.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vivacissamamente (talk • contribs) 22:19, 28 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not related to lynx?

Excuse me? Hell, I'm related to a lynx. They are a distant species from humans but we are all still related. The damned thing is more related than I. Unless you want to suggest that they are aliens or something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tatarize (talk • contribs) 03:13, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Means they are not a sister species under the same genus name. Asheekay (talk) 15:36, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reverts on the range

The paper used as a source for some unexplained reason uses a medieval French term to define a part of the extreme-westerly distribution of the sub-species, adding two countries and a proposed one in brackets. The scientific thing to do would have been to define it in geographical, and ecological terms since the species is far more dependent on these than political borders. Sadly though there is no article for the Eastern coast of the Mediterranean Sea which would have described the ecology of the strip that spans the terrain between the Negev dessert, the coastal valleys of southern Anatolia, and the Syrian and Sinai desert that isolates these coastal-dwelling sub-species from the Tigris-Euphrates and Nile valley populations Koakhtzvigad (talk) 05:58, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Subspecies

Felis chaus maimanah is not subspecies. Read Haltenorth 1953 Die Wildkatzen der Alten Welt and Haltenorth 1957 Die Wildkatze. Zukowski, 1915 is failed. And http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt?search_topic=TSN&search_value=726311 Here again do not write truthfully. Because "maimanah" is local form of the subspecies Felis silvestris caudata not Felis chaus. If you already. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bagheera baghira (talk • contribs) 11:35, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Since you keep on insisting that maimanah is not a valid and recognized subspecies of Felis chaus : see this link, which is also clearly referenced in the article, right before the list. What Haltenorth (1953 and 1957) wrote about Felis silvestris is irrelevant for this article about Felis chaus. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 16:51, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Felis chaus maimanah (Zukowsky, 1914) - was first described from Maimanah in northern Afghanistan and inhabits the region south of the Amu Darya River.

Its not subspecies of jungle cat; but hybrid between wildcat and jungle cat. Handbook of the Mammals of the World Volume 1 - Carnivores no mention of "maimanah" a subspecies of jungle cat. It is there that it was not even feel it. If you already. It is a hybrid show that the work of Reginald Innes Pocock 1951. He himself says that "maimanah" are not is a subspecies of jungle cat in the true sense. Because it is the area where the encounter with a wildcat and jungle cat. And the reason is simple, it can not be excluded. It can only disprove a thorough analysis of molecular DNA. Are very clearly shows that neither international community of zoologists; is not completely infallible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.91.15.80 (talk) 15:21, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hybrids

FTA: Cat breeders have been able to hybridize jungle cats with certain
domestic cats, producing such breeds as the "chausie" (Jungle Cat x domestic cat)
and the "jungle bob" (Jungle Cat x Pixie Bob).

Pixie-bob is a kind of domestic cat, this is confusing.

Felis chaus maimanah (Zukowsky, 1914) - was first described from Maimanah in northern Afghanistan and inhabits the region south of the Amu Darya River.

Its not subspecies of jungle cat; but hybrid between wildcat and jungle cat. Handbook of the Mammals of the World Volume 1 - Carnivores no mention of "maimanah" a subspecies of jungle cat. It is there that it was not even feel it. If you already. It is a hybrid show that the work of Reginald Innes Pocock 1951. He himself says that "maimanah" are not is a subspecies of jungle cat in the true sense. Because it is the area where the encounter with a wildcat and jungle cat. And the reason is simple, it can not be excluded. It can only disprove a thorough analysis of molecular DNA. Are very clearly shows that neither international community of zoologists; is not completely infallible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.91.15.80 (talk) 15:24, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sentence needs work

the fifth sentence in the characteristics section seems to be lacking something: "Due to the long legs and short tail, and the fact that the, this cat resembles a small lynx." 'and the fact that the...what? the fact that the ears are tufted? will seeif i can find a reference and clean this up...cheersRuraltexas (talk) 05:49, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

climbing downward

It is not the relative size of the claws that make it difficult for the domestic cat to climb down. It is their inability to rotate their legs. Cat are hooked, they are not straight. Thus facing up the claws dig in, while facing down they do not.

I have no doubt that the jungle cat can climb down face first. I have seen domestic cats do this. I do seriously doubt it can climb down as easily as up, since I know of NO cat species that can rotate their back legs to do this. They may find it easier to get down because of the front claws than the domestic cat but still not as easy as climbing up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.121.253.98 (talk) 13:53, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Forest Cat???

"The jungle cat's main competitors are the jackal and forest cat."

What exactly is a "forest cat"? I tried a google search (since there's no article with this title on wikipedia) and found nothing meaningful. The quoted sentence is the first line of the 3rd paragraph under Ecology and behavior section and is a very ambiguous and misleading sentence. Asheekay (talk) 15:42, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that's the wildcat. I added links and a redirect. I came to that conclusion from "Specific_name_(zoology)". - UtherSRG (talk) 16:04, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the 'forest' cat because jungle cat and the forest-using European wildcat do not co-occur. Lets have a look what Geptner wrote and which species he meant. (Not Amur leopard cat for sure.) -- BhagyaMani (talk) 18:48, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Domestication

Although not really domesticated (and the article states that they are not domesticated), I should note that jungle cats can and have been kept at home at least as young animals. Several of the pictures in this article are of a jungle cat that was raised as a kitten by a domestic cat foster mother. I add here a picture of the same jungle cat sleeping with the smaller foster mother. Shyamal (talk) 14:39, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, it is beautiful on a day like this. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 14:59, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Jungle cat/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Dunkleosteus77 (talk · contribs) 02:48, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Dunkleosteus77

Specific comments

~~when describing the eyes, is it when the pupils are dilated (really big)?~~

The source does not mention that.

if it eats fruits, isn't it omnivorous?

Fruit-eating is supported by only one source, and I am not sure how common fruits are in the diet; almost all other sources present it as a carnivore. So I said "primarily" a carnivore. Any ideas?

you could say 'suggesting it is omnivorous' or try finding other sources about this

Took first suggestion. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 04:16, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

~~does "not recieve legal protection" mean there aren't any consequences for killing one, because Myanmar is listed to prohibit hunting but not give legal protection?~~

Good catch, corrected.

Lead

The lead is exceedingly short (two sentences). Increase it by adding info about the taxonomic history, description, and behaviour. Basically, anything in the article should have at least a brief mention in the lead. User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk 02:48, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No idea how I overlooked this, done.

Some parts of the lead are now a little over-specific now, and can be trimmed down a bit. For example, change "Baltic German naturalist" to "German naturalist" or even just "naturalist" and "Two moults can be observed in a year" can be "Moults can occur twice per year" or "Moults occur biannually" User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk 19:39, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea, trimmed a bit.

remove "(typically five days long)", and you never mention threats or conservation efforts

Removed that, but I do mention threats and conservation efforts in the last para of the lead of every article I work on. It is a major part of the article. The lead is not too large for the article either, in my view. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 04:29, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Typically diurnal (active mainly during the day), the jungle cat hunts throughout the day" this is redundant

I want to say that hunting is the main activity throughout the day, perhaps I should remove "(active mainly during the day)"?

yes

Done. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 04:29, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You keep putting the dependent clause first. Nothing wrong grammatically, it just reads weird after the second time (more-so here since the dependent clause is first in two consecutive sentences). Try using this once per paragraph

Working...

I have kept an instance in each para, as I remember one FAC where editors used a lot of this in the lead as it looked better to them. I don't know if it is really weird, but I personally like this style. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 04:29, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

General comments

~~I don't think you're supposed to wikilink country names~~

Perhaps not for common or obvious countries such as USA or UK. But I have linked countries in several articles of mine, and this article links a much fewer number than in others.

~~change "A member of the genus Felis, that consists of small cats..." to "A member of the genus Felis, which consists of small cats..."~~

Done

~~for "weighs 2–16 kilograms (4.4–35.3 lb)", I don't think the decimals places are necessary. If you're using template {{convert}}, add the parameter |sigfig=1. This is optional~~

I do this and find this done in few articles. If you think it would be useful, I can do this here.

You inconsistently use the serial comma (*comma* and)

Working...

Fixed many, but others are mainly to separate parts of the sentence, and not exactly the "A, B, and C" case (for instance, the comma in The cat is primarily a carnivore, and prefers small mammals is for clarity). I have seen this done often and have done this myself in many articles. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 04:42, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

reword "A 2014 study of albino jungle cats in the coastline tracts of the southern Western Ghats showed that, unlike true albinos that have red eyes, but this trait was not obvious in the observed animals"

Fixed.

~~reword "lighter in summer is than in winter"~~

Fixed.

"Typically diurnal (active mainly during the day), the jungle cat hunts throughout the day", redundant

Reply as in similar point above

~~"are taken as well" replace "taken" with "hunted" or "preyed upon" or some other synonym of those~~

Done

replace "32 km/h (20 mph)" with "at 32 km/h (20 mi/h)" or "at 32 kph (20 mph)"

I am using the convert template here, not sure how to change its wording as it may interfere with the syntax.

change km/h to kph

Doesn't seem to be working. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 04:42, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

~~wikilink "riparian"~~

Done

"~~Hence it is often known as the "reed cat" or the "swamp cat". Reeds and tall grasses are typical of its habitat", switch these sentences and/or merge them~~

Done

~~don't start a sentence with "but"~~

There was only one, fixed.

References

~~When naming volume numbers, do not use roman numerals. This is used in ref. no 22, 23, and 25~~
~~Is the |location= parameter necessary?~~

It is, while citing books.

for ref no. 4 (Güldenstädt), add the parameter |language=Russian

for ref no. 10 (Zukowsky), add the parameter |language=German

for ref no. 11 (Heptner), a free version is available at this url: https://archive.org/stream/mammalsofsov221992gept/mammalsofsov221992gept_djvu.txt

for ref no. 13 (Rüppell), add the parameter |language=German

for ref no. 15 (Brandt), add the parameter |language=French

for ref no. 21 (Severtzov), add the parameter language=French, and the volume number is 2

for ref no. 22 (Fitzinger), add the parameter language=German

for ref no. 24 (Nehring), add the parameter language=German

Fixed all these and more.

Many thanks for taking on this. I have responded to the above issues. Cheers, Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 12:40, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

for ref no. 27, a free version is available at this link: https://books.google.com/books?id=hFbJWMh9-OAC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false, I recommend using template {{Google books}} for this. To use it, {{Google books|plainurl=yes|id=<fill in id given in url (after the "?")>|page=<insert a page number>}}

for ref no. 29, a free version is available at this link: https://books.google.com/books?id=B_07noCPc4kC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false, also, use page 198 for the |page= parameter (197 is not available)

Done the above two. Thanks, I will use these from now.

~~for ref no. 30, the url is not working for me; is it working for you (because I have slow internet)?~~

Indeed, it is not working. I have replaced the url with this [1].

~~for ref no. 34, a free version is available at this link: https://books.google.com/books?id=ZH6aBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA214&lpg=PA214~~

Done.

for ref no. 35, the url causes a download, and the doi leads to a pdf version of the article. Replace the current url with this link: http://www.threatenedtaxa.org/ZooPrintJournal/2011/November/o271326xi112221-2225.pdf

Done.

~~Are you certain that ref no. 29 (Mammals of Africa) talks about jungle cats in the Himalayas?~~

Yes, checked this. Any trouble?

This article passes User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk 23:26, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot! Sainsf (talk · contribs) 06:17, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Question.

Where is the source that snakes dholes, raptors, Jackals, and fishing cats, prey on Jungle cats? Jungle cats weigh as much as a medium sized dog. 47.197.29.147 (talk) 03:56, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The sources are stated in the article. Anaxial (talk) 04:53, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]