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A fact from Julia Marden appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 21 October 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Julia Marden was the first known person to create a Wampanoag twined turkey-feather mantle since European contact 400 years earlier?

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The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet talk 10:06, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Julia Marden was the first known person to create a Wampanoag twined turkey feather mantle since European contact 400 years earlier? Source: https://www.capecodtimes.com/story/news/2023/09/12/turkey-feather-mantle-gay-head-aquinnah-wampanoag-powwow-julia-marden/70195674007/
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Created by ForsythiaJo (talk). Self-nominated at 00:39, 14 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Julia Marden; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

I'll review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:24, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

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Cited: Interesting:

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Overall: Article appears to meet all the criteria. Hook is cited and interesting. Appears good to go! BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:30, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ForsythiaJo and BeanieFan11: This hook cannot run as is. Many readers will not understand what "400 years" is referring to in the hook, since it's not really explained in the article (except for the passing mention of "post-contact"). Also, the article is careful to specify that it's the first "known" such mantle (there may have been others), whereas the hook seems to declare with 100% certainty that this is indisputable fact. Cielquiparle (talk) 15:31, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ForsythiaJo and BeanieFan11: Can one of you please address the concerns above? Z1720 (talk) 02:05, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Z1720: Yes, I edited the hook a bit ago, to clarify that Marden is the first known person, rather than the first person, and that she is the first "since European contact 400 years earlier", rather than "in 400 years". ForsythiaJo (talk) 02:22, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Cielquiparle: Does this satisfy your concerns? Z1720 (talk) 02:32, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ForsythiaJo, BeanieFan11, and Z1720: I have just now added the explicit mention of "400 years earlier" to the article text (so that the DYK hook isn't offering a fact that isn't explained in the article). So now I'm OK with it. Thanks for the other changes as well. Cielquiparle (talk) 03:52, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]