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Isn't it too early to note non-Japanese qualified judoka?

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Some of the top 18 in each weight class don't have enough ranking points to mathematically assure their place in the games. I am suggesting that only those who are mathematically assured their place AND were confirmed to participate by their OC will be listed, or that all will be removed until the 28th of June date. Deancarmeli (talk) 07:05, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think being confirmed should be a requirement as that isn't a requirement in all other sports, like athletics. But yeah, being mathematically assured would be reasonable. As it stands, the data is highly temporary and will mislead people who don't read the fine print. It's a bummer though, because whoever made the list put a lot of effort into it. Perhaps the data needed to be removed can be kept within <-- --> so it isn't wasted. -- Lejman (talk) 20:28, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Until we get official confirmation from the International Judo Federation, anything is speculative, including the mathmetical qualification, unless confirmed by a source (which I do not think exists), if so please point me too it. Until then, the page should not include this information as per WP:CRYSTAL. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:17, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sportsfan: I do not agree. If the page shows the athletes to be qualified to the games, as shown in the official International Judo Federation website, what is the harm? Deancarmeli (talk) 12:09, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There is harm because it literally says "Note: the information shown is provisional and only shows which judoka would be qualified, if the Olympic Games were today. The list will likely change significantly until 28th June 2021, which is the deadline for obtaining points for Olympic qualification." Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:06, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sportsfan: You are welcomed to indicate the athelets that are mathematically assured to be qualified to the OG, or the ones confirmed by their NOC's to partake in the games. The next unilateral undoing of editors work while ignoring this discussion shall be reported as edit warring. Deancarmeli (talk) 19:36, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@JanPleun: Would you like to provide your opinion on the matter? Deancarmeli (talk) 19:39, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I do not see the harm. These athletes are currently qualified for the Olympics and normally there would not change much. I will be happy to change per direct after any running tournament. But if I irritate or insult somebody with this, I am happy tot accept anybodys opinion one this. I am currently without a job and therefore I spent more time on our beloved websiet as usual JanPleun (talk) 23:02, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:CRYSTAL you are violating a key rule, @Deancarmeli. Unless you can get a third party source indicating every name listed has qualified, then you are doing WP:OR. I will be reporting you to ANI if you continue your disruptive behaviour. User:Raymarcbadz what do you think?, you also reverted for the same reason. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Disruptive behaviour? nice.
The list may be changed to indicate that it shows athletes to-be-qualified, much like sports leagues show who is set to qualify for a farther round if the state won't change.
Erasing an someone else's work is easy. improving it is much more helpful. Deancarmeli (talk) 06:38, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal: Changing the Mixed team section

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I suggest that we change it to display the teams' athletes in their respective weight classes, with their in-tournament rankings. I've stated to work on the male side, the female is next.

(#) Qualified male judoka
Lower third Upper third
NOC -60 -66 -73 -81 -90 -100 +100
 Japan 2. Naohisa Takato 3. Hifumi Abe 11. Shohei Ono 13. Takanori Nagase 10. Shoichiro Mukai 5. Aaron Wolf 1. Hisayoshi Harasawa
 Brazil 11. Eric Takabatake 9. Daniel Cargnin 25. Eduardo Barbosa 19. Eduardo Yudy Santos 17. Rafael Macedo 15. Rafael Buzacarini 5. Rafael Silva
 Canada 7. Arthur Margelidon 9. Antoine Valois-Fortier 8. Shady El Nahas
 France 9. Luka Mkheidze 16. Kilian Le Blouch 20. Guillaume Chaine 15. Axel Clerget 10. Alexandre Iddir 10. Teddy Riner
 Germany 19. Moritz Plafky 19. Sebastian Seidl 17. Igor Wandtke 10. Dominic Ressel 13. Eduard Trippel 17. Karl-Richard Frey 16. Johannes Frey
 Israel 5. Baruch Shmailov 6. Tohar Butbul 2. Sagi Muki 21. Li Kochman 4. Peter Paltchik 8. Or Sasson
 Italy 1. Manuel Lombardo 12. Fabio Basile 12. Christian Parlati 20. Nicholas Mungai
 Mongolia 15. Amartuvshin Dashdavaa 4. Baskhuu Yondonperenlei 5. Tsogtbaatar Tsend-Ochir 6. Saeid Mollaei 16. Altanbagana Gantulga 13. Lkhagvasürengiin Otgonbaatar 18. Duurenbayar Ulziibayar
 Netherlands 10. Tornike Tsjakadoea 5. Frank de Wit 2. Noël van 't End 3. Michael Korrel 6. Henk Grol
 South Korea 6. Kim Won-jin 2. An Baul 3. An Changrim 14. Gwak Dong-han 6. Cho Gu-ham 9. Kim Min-jong
 Uzbekistan 5. Sharafuddin Lutfillaev 7. Sardor Nurillaev 9. Khikmatillokh Turaev 7. Sharofiddin Boltaboev 5. Davlat Bobonov 12. Mukhammadkarim Khurramov 15. Bekmurod Oltiboev
 Refugee Olympic Team 32. Ahmad Alikaj 30. Popole Misenga 22. Javad Mahjoub
 ROC 1. Yago Abuladze 8. Yakub Shamilov 13. Musa Mogushkov 8. Alan Khubetsov 9. Mikhail Igolnikov 7. Niyaz Ilyasov 2. Inal Tasoev
Total teams: 13 9 10 12 10 12 11 11
Middle third

What do you say? Deancarmeli (talk) 12:54, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Official qualification list

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@Jr Tahun: @Jose De Sousa Superfan: The IJF currently updates the Official Qualification List on its website, doing so alphabetically, by nation.
By now, the update has reached Ireland (52 nations).
I'm suggesting that we give the page a rest until the update will be finished. Deancarmeli (talk) 14:38, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, we've only been adding in the Tripartite places that have been confirmed anyway. Jose De Sousa Superfan (talk) 14:41, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]