Talk:Jovan Mikić

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Croatian origin

@SerVasi: I see that you are edit-warring to insert an information about Mikić and/or his parents being of Croatian origin. Please, provide a reliable source. To learn how to cite sources, see WP:referencing . Vanjagenije (talk) 20:33, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And the cyrillic version of his name should be restored, as he was born and died in modern-day Serbia, and the same country is cherishing his legacy. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 21:23, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I did not insert the info,i only restored what was removed.His legacy is highly valued by the Croatian community in Serbia (and Croatia ofc). I don't deny thah he is also cherished by Serbs too but that doesn't warrant a cyrillic script version of the name. That should be used in cases: a) ethnic Serbs - he is an ethnic Croat so i don't see a reason.None of the albanian people of Serbia have that listed so why make an exception here. b) Serbian nationality - yes,you can easily point to Miralem Sulejmani or whoever but they held Serbian nationality.Mikić was born in AH and only held Yugoslav nationality as he died before the breakup. Peace SerVasi (talk) 22:06, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Interpretations of Wiki rules and guidlines are not exactly arguments. See: WP:NOTLISTENING, WP:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_battleground, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section. Please take a look - Miralem Sulejmani or Oliver Dulić. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 22:49, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How exactly are they not arguments?? SerVasi (talk) 18:46, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTLISTENING Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 09:11, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTLISTENING SerVasi (talk) 17:49, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@SerVasi: Since you are not able to provide any sources about his Croatian origin, please, do not insert that info into the article again. Thanks! Vanjagenije (talk) 23:06, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

https://suistorijablog.wordpress.com/jovan-mikic-spartak-zivot-smrt-i-sahrana/ proving hes catholic that moved from Slavonia. SerVasi (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:08, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Blogs are banned on Wikipedia. I shall ask one last time, what is your real argument for not including Cyrillics? Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 11:34, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Article presents a picture of an official document. Who provided the photo is irrelevant. He is a Croat so why would there be a Cyrillic name listed? SerVasi (talk) 14:48, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That is no argument and there is no sources backing your claim. I do not plan to go in circles any longer. Cyrillic name will be listed. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 15:37, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I provided you an official document. Saying that is no argument is either stupid or very nationalistic SerVasi (talk) 17:27, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@SerVasi: The document you provided clearly says that his ethnicity is "Yugoslavian", Croatian is not mentioned. Please stop inserting unsourced content. Also, the documents you provided show that Mikić's own signature was in Cyrillic letters. Vanjagenije (talk) 18:51, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Vanjagenije:Association of Banat Croats. On the occasion of 115 years since the birth of Jovan Mikić Spartak, a lecture was held in Opovo.

3. Jovan / Ivan / Mikić - Bata / Spartak (Opovo, May 13, 1914 - Subotica, October 11, 1944).
4. parents: • father - Mikić Aleksandar (father Antun), school superintendent, • mother - Darinka, teacher 1921.
Father, 5. • Aleksandar Mikic (1882 -?), Teacher by profession, Croat by "tribal feelings".
Jovan Mikić Spartak 8. Roman Catholic, Serb 1926. High school (today's 5th grade).

We do not know whether this "Serb" recorded in the school administration at that time is for all Slavs and Catholics as well, in any case he is presented by historian and director of the Historical Archives in Subotica Stevan Mačković and program was prepared by the Association of Banat Croats. (year 2019)^[1]^[2]

We have this information as well.

Ivan (Jovan) Mikić-Bata better known as the conspiratorial nickname Spartak. He was appointed by the General headquarters for Vojvodina (GSV) in 1944 and named the first commander of the Subotica Partisan Detachment. This partisan detachment had its hidden base at that time mostly in the surrounding Croatian-Bunjevci villages.^[3]Mikola22 (talk) 07:32, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Those are not RS, not at all. Please stop spreading personal opinions which are bordering with Serbophobia - We do not know whether this "Serb" recorded in the school administration at that time is for all Slavs and Catholics as well. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 10:48, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You boys preached about not changing the artice without discussing the topic but conveniently didn't apply it on your side.If i dont recieve a valid reasoning to why sourced content was removed i will be restoring the info in 10 days. SerVasi (talk) 08:17, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is not the right way to go about this. You need RS citations to include with your claimed edit. In my search I see nothing about him being Croat. All I see is Yugoslav. And being that Yugoslavia officially used Latin and Cyrillic script. It makes sense to have both written language sets in the intro. The notion that Croats own the Latin set and Serbs own the Cyrillic set is ridiculous. OyMosby (talk) 03:44, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.slideshare.net/StevanMakovi/jovan-miki-spartak-antifaista
^ http://www.glasopova.rs/?p=31716
^ Mr. sc. Krešimir Bušić, -Zagreb 2008.-2009, Doctoral thesis, THE ACTION OF THE BANAT CROATS IN TO CULTURAL INSTITUTIONS NDH https://repozitorij.hrstud.unizg.hr/islandora/object/hrstud:1536 #page=135

[1] ttps://www.slideshare.net/StevanMakovi/jovan-miki-spartak-antifaista

[2] ttp://www.glasopova.rs/?p=31716

[3] Mr. sc. Krešimir Bušić, -Zagreb 2008.-2009, Doctoral thesis, THE ACTION OF THE BANAT CROATS IN TO CULTURAL INSTITUTIONS NDH https://repozitorij.hrstud.unizg.hr/islandora/object/hrstud:1536 #page=135

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