Talk:Joseph Morelle/Archive 1

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Archive 1

run for Comptroller

Assemblyman Morelle ran unsuccessfully in 2007 to be NYS Comptroller. Is this significant? 74.69.2.220 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:29, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

political style

It is also well-known in Rochester that Joe Morelle is considered to be a tough, shrewd and calculating politician, knowing exactly what it takes to win any political office for his party. Surely this should be added to his page? 74.69.8.195 (talk) 21:21, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Morelle is no longer M.C.D.C. chair

Joe Morelle is no longer chair of Monroe County Democratic Committee. His tenure ended on September 23rd. David Garretson, the Greece town Democratic leader is now county Democratic chairman. 66.67.32.161 (talk) 02:48, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

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"Campaign violations" section

Could it be against WP:BLPCRIME? I personally support inclusion in this case, but that seems to be contested. _{Vermont | reply here} 18:18, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

I think it's more relevant that this section violates WP:NCRIME, which requires that a criminal act be notable to be included in a Wikipedia article.

First of all, there is no evidence that any criminal act occurred. According to the single source given for this section—a very brief (not much longer than this section) contemporaneous "breaking news" (see WP:NCRIME) newspaper article—the subject (Joseph Morelle) was accused of obtaining seven candidacy petition signatures illegally: specifically, allowing members of his family to sign a petition for seven other members of his family. The charge was originally brought against him by a political rival during a 1990 campaign, when a judge agreed that those seven signatures were illegally obtained but refused to disqualify the subject's candidacy because he had more than enough valid signatures to qualify.

Apparently (the source gives no information about it), a criminal charge subsequently was made in Irondequoit Town Court (a VERY low-level court, not where notable crimes normally would be tried), after which some unspecified "prosecutors" offered Morelle a plea deal. That's as far as the newspaper article goes. It doesn't even take the story as far as a postponed court date four weeks after publication. If ANYTHING had come of those charges, it is beyond credibility that NO ONE would have bothered to report on it.

I think this section should be deleted per WP:NCRIME because it is not noteworthy. There is no reliable source stating that a crime was committed, only that charges were made. In the United States, charging a person with a crime is NOT the same as conviction. Even if technically a crime was committed, it was a remarkably innocuous crime: the candidate's aunt signed his grandmother's name to a petition, maybe, plus six other similar incidents (whatever the specifics were: the newspaper article didn't say)—without even a hint that money, political favors, or anything else was involved. Only in the mind of a particularly rabid political opponent would that count as a notable crime, and providing a platform for political vendettas is one of many things Wikipedia is not.

Besides, whatever DID happen happened almost 30 years ago, at the beginning of Morelle's political career. If anything, dredging up such a trivial, old and sketchily supported story calls attention to the remarkably scandal-free decades that followed.

But all that matters is whether this section meets Wikipedia's standard of notability. I think it does not and therefore should be removed.

—104.244.192.66 (talk) 03:45, 24 May 2018 (UTC)