Talk:Joseph Heller/Archives/2012

Possible copyright infringment

Since this page might be blatant plagiarism, I listed it under WP:CP. Jumping cheese ^Cont@ct 07:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I searched the page history and I believe I found the original copy and paste. [1] An anon user added all the info all the way back in Sept. 24, 2005 all in one edit. Highly suspicious...
It's a bummer, since this was a really nice page. =( Jumping cheese ^Cont@ct 07:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

It is dreadful that this has happened, I looked through the history and this did in fact happen in one of the first edits, really unfortunate. I moved whatever I could and wrote a not very good header which you can find in the temp location as instructed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Joseph_Heller/Temp.

Jumping_cheese, if you could put your discussion of such a thing under a specific heading and not just put in the middle of a discussion page it would be helpful/useful, I have moved it to above my entry here. dwxyzq|^T 12:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that...I was replying to comments below that indicated that the page was plagiarized. Thanxs for giving this section it's own heading. I'll see what I can contribute to the new temp page. =) Jumping cheese ^Cont@ct 23:41, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

It is really bad that this had happened. What are we going to do? Start from scratch? I read this article and the plagiarism is trully evident.

Regards: Painbearer 17:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I have reverted the page back to the last good version-September 16 2005, the version before the addition of copyrighted material from the Bulgarian IP.

The link to the 'temp' page isn't working. I'd like to take a look at the plagiarized information. Maybe we can rewrite the information so that the words aren't plagiarized but the facts remain. Gavroche42 18:58, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, I see the link to the plagiarized website in the Death section. Gavroche42 19:02, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

M*A*S*H

This should probably read that He influenced Richard Hooker's novel M*A*S*H and thus the Robert Altman movie adaptation and the long running TV series of the same title.

Death

Does anyone know anything about his death?

Basics added, cause and place. Something else you were looking for? Beanbatch 20:01, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Note: a fairly similar article exists here:http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/heller.htm

It isn't fairly similar: it's exactly the same. Who plagiarized who?

I don't know the answer, but his death is marked as 12/12/99 at the top of the page, and then he is described as having died on 12/13/99 below. ConDissenter 13:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Bond who?

I've heard his work on "Casino Royale" was uncredited; can anybody confirm & include? Trekphiler 15:55, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

The problem with persons who do not wish to be credited is that there is usually a reason why they do not wish to be credited. Casino had many directors and actors, but also writers that were not credited. Sources that did credit Heller as a writer: IMDb, New World Encyclopedia, New York times, Barnes and Noble, Bright Lights film Journal and Rolling Stone Magazine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.160.198.125 (talk) 23:45, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Catch 22 controversy

Added the section on the controversy surrounding catch 22 best reference: http://www.th-record.com/1998/04/04-28-98/catch22.htm

it is unclear from the references I was able to find (much reference material pre-2000 (including the original works from The Times and The Washington Post) are not available online or they require payment e.g. http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20C1FFD3D5A0C7A8EDDAD0894D0494D81) but it seems Heller never specifically said he did not plagiarise the content, can someone verify this? Dwxyzq 17:03, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

• Need to link to a New York Times article from your weblog? Enter your link here, and we'll give you the weblog-safe link (This service only goes back to June 2003.)

The controversy around possible plagiarism is answered in the article. It is clearly suggested that neither Heller nor his editor were aware of this controversy. They have gone on record stating the fact that the author -Louis Falstein- who was possibly plagiarised, must have been aware of Catch-22, yet never spoke out. --83.160.198.125 (talk) 11:44, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Inaccuracy

"in which the bomber crews were required to fly a minimum of 18 missions, rather than 22."

Can people read the book before contributing, please? The phrase "Catch-22" has nothing to do with the number of missions. --62.255.236.11 21:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

It's true. The number of missions is raised from (I think) thirty-five to eighty over the course of the book, and nowhere other than in the name of Catch-22 is the number 22 ever mentioned. Wangoed 13:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

• In an interview on Terry Gross on "Fresh Air" (npr) with Joseph Heller , he stated that Catch 18 referred to the fact that Draftees were conscripted at 18 years of age, yet were not entitled to full civic participation, i.e allowed to vote; this was the CATCH. (There is no longer a text archive at WHYY-npr)

Removing "Trivia" section

I've removed the trivia section for two reasons: First, and most importantly, it is incredibly non-notable -- so a fishing pole sold for $2,800? It's a lot for a pole, I suppose, but it certainly isn't anything particularly remarkable. (Now, had it sold for $2.8-million, it could be a different story.) The second reason is that there's no reference. --Todeswalzer|Talk 02:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Relation to Benjamin Siegel?

On page 116 of Now and Then, he mentions cousins with the last name of Siegel who lived in Williamsburg. One of them was a doctor named Morris. Is it known whether these Siegels were related to Benjamin Siegel who in fact had a brother who was a physician?--Jrm2007 (talk) 11:25, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Which?

"In 1984, while in the process of divorcing his wife of 35 years, he met Valerie Humphries, the nurse who had helped him to recover, and later married her" Did he meet her before or after? Either the word "met" or the word "had" has gotta go to clear up confusion, most of which is probably mine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.100.202.245 (talk) 11:14, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Citation

In the article a citation is requested about Portrait of an Artist, as an Old Man. This request dates from 2007. The article on the book was first published in Wikipedia in 2006. It is definitly Heller's final novel. Why is a citation needed? It seems a bit Catch-22 to me. --83.160.198.125 (talk) 11:14, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Copyright problem

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