Talk:Joseph David-Jones

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Sourcing for full date of birth (DOB) etc

I understand when you removed the things because we can't use IMDb and Facebook as sources. That's why I went out of my way to find articles and interviews as sources for the information. Now you're telling me the sources look the same? I don't get that. The actor hired me to edit his page for him with this specific information. Right now, you're getting in the way of this. So please tell me, how come I can't use the new sources? They should be acceptable.ApplePear97 (talk) 16:57, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ApplePear97: How much are you being paid for this work? Philafrenzy (talk) 19:00, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Philafrenzy: I'm getting $20 for it. That's how much I told him I would charge for. ApplePear97 (talk) 19:28, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ApplePear97: Thank you. Which other articles have you been paid to work on? Do you have other accounts, or is this your only one? Philafrenzy (talk) 19:56, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Philafrenzy: I'm only getting paid to edit Joseph David-Jones page. This is my first and possibly last time getting paid to edit an article on here. Also, this is my only account.ApplePear97 (talk) 20:20, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ApplePear97 Have had to remove Joseph David-Jones's full DOB again. The cited article at www.monstersandcritics.com no longer exists, and I have my doubts whether his full DOB was ever in the article anyway. Perhaps you should think about refunding that $20. Edwardx (talk) 23:20, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Edwardx: The monstersandcritics was not my source. That belonged to somebody a long time ago. About his DOB, I think he'll be fine with just the year as it was wrong the first time. He was born in 1993 not 1989. If he wants the full date, is twitter a reliable source? I ask this, because I do remember him making a post back in December mentioning it was his birthday on that said day.

ApplePear97 Regardless of who added the monstersandcritics source, you used it as the citation when adding his full DOB. That is a big no no, and that sort of thing can get you blocked from editing. Twitter is unsuitable, see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. Edwardx (talk) 01:00, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ApplePear97 You can change the year of birth if you want, but don't add the full DOB without a reliable source. Edwardx (talk) 01:04, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Edwardx: The year of birth is correct. Right now he's trying to find an article that has him mention his DOB to use as a source.ApplePear97 (talk) 15:25, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ApplePear97 Another option is to find a reliable source that mentions his age, then we can use the {{birth based on age as of date |yy|yyyy|mm|dd}} template. Our readers only really need to know roughly how old someone is. A precise date of birth is not essential. Edwardx (talk) 10:15, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Edwardx:Okay, so he sent me this today. https://www.tvovermind.com/joseph-david-jones/ It has his full date of birth on there. Would this be a credible source to use, because I feel like it wouldn't?ApplePear97 (talk) 03:05, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ApplePear97 There are so many sites out there with film, TV and celebrity news that it can be hard to determine how reliable they are. Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources is your first stop. Then we do a search in the archives of Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard, where we get one result, Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_149#TVOvermind. As you can see the original poster (OP) raises a doubt, but this is never specifically addressed, as definitive news was expected to be announced two days later. If we look at the homepage of TVOvermind, in the top right hand corner there is a big link to Write For Us!. I think we can conclude from those three paragraphs that TVOvermind would not be a reliable source for a Wikipedia article. By way of comparison, look at the entry for "Forbes.com contributors" on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. Edwardx (talk) 13:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Edwardx: Thank you.ApplePear97 (talk) 21:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Edwardx: He really wants his full date of birth on here. He really thought the article he gave me would work, but it didn't. Right now, he's trying to see if me sending you a picture of his driver license would help. I know it won't.ApplePear97 (talk) 02:46, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ApplePear97 You are correct. See WP:BLPPRIMARY for more. Edwardx (talk) 11:38, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]