Talk:Jose Luis Gonzalez (artist)

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This page should not be speedily deleted because the rationale stated for speedy deletion was "because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate" does not apply in this particular case. While the article subject did have a lengthy barely referenced article which did have a deletion discussion, it was not deleted at the end of discussion. Furthermore, the article at this time is substantially different. It is a stub article at this time, and is currently being expanded.It now includes specific examples of the notoriety of the artist and is well referenced. I do have the intention of expanding the article further. WordSeventeen (talk) 03:53, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Copied from my talk page for admins consideration

diff is here [1] WordSeventeen (talk) 15:41, 20 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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A tag has been placed on Jose Luis Gonzalez (artist), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate, such as at articles for deletion. Under the specified criteria, where an article has substantially identical content to that of an article deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

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@Winner 42 This article should not be speedily deleted because the rationale stated for speedy deletion was "because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate" does not apply in this particular case. While the article subject did have a lengthy barely referenced article which did have a deletion discussion, it was not deleted at the end of discussion. Furthermore, the article at this time is substantially different. It is a stub article at this time, and is currently being expanded. It now includes specific examples of the notoriety of the artist and is well referenced. I do have the intention of expanding the article further. WordSeventeen (talk) 11:59 pm, Yesterday (UTC−4)

I understand that, but the AfD specifically closed with, "Move to draft and seek approval". The draft was submitted for AfC where it was declined pending further improvement. While G4 technically does not apply here, the spirit of G4 (creating an article in spite of a deletion discussion) does. The article should stay in draft space until it is approved by the AfC reviewers. Winner 42 Talk to me! 9:16 am, Today (UTC−4)

This message I posted at the talk page of Winner 42 diff [2]

@Winner_42, respectfully speaking, I think you have me confused with some different editor. I never submitted an article about Jose Luis Gonzalez to AFD. There was a lenghty article about the same subject submitted at one time by some other editor. I did try to assist that editor with some editing, but there has been no further communication between us. I created a stub article also about Jose Luis Gonzalez. The stub article I created has never been at AFC. It has never been at AFD. The article should not be speedily deleted because the rationale stated for speedy deletion was "because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate" does not apply in this particular case. While the article subject did have a lengthy barely referenced article which did have a deletion discussion, it was moved to draft space at the end of discussion. Furthermore, the stub article I created is substantially different. It is a stub article at this time, and is currently being expanded. It includes specific examples of the notoriety of the artist, and is well referenced. I do have the intention of expanding the article further. I would ask that you withdraw your speedy delete nomination. Thank you. WordSeventeen (talk) 11:25 am, Today (UTC−4)

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Criminal record

This is a very nice promotional portfolio for an artist, curated substantially by an SPA. It omits one highly notable incident in his life, which received wide and extensive media coverage over a period of many weeks in the early 1980s and has subsequently been chronicled in two academic texts published in the 1990s and 2010s, specifically, regarding a major fraud and self-dealing case. After adding this, it was removed by Vexations [3] on the assertion that Joe L. Gonzalez is too common of a name and it could be a different person.

Background

Jose L. Gonzalez' official website claims he is an artist from Los Angeles, is sometimes known as Joe L. Gonzalez, and once painted a mural for TELACU (The East Los Angeles Community Union). [4]
WP:RS say a Joe L. Gonzalez, who lives in Los Angeles and is a "noted restorationist of historic art", was convicted on a felony fraud charge and accused of a conflict of interest over payments to his "art companies". It notes he is former vice-chair of the board of directors of TELACU.^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]

Question:

Are #1 and #2 the same person?
If #1 and #2 are the same person, should the following be included in the BLP?

Gonzalez was sentenced to five years probation in 1983 after admitting to a felony charge of enrolling in a federal jobs program for the needy and subsequently being paid thousands of dollars for work he didn't do. The program was administered by The East Los Angeles Community Union (TELACU), a social service non-profit. Gonzalez was also paid at least $458,000 by TELACU for contracts awarded to his art companies at the same time he was serving as vice chair of its board of directors, which was cited as a possible conflict of interest by the U.S. Department of Labor, Office of Inspector General.

Chetsford (talk) 17:26, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Same person, add proposed text It is a fact of law and physics that Joe L. Gonzalez is Joe L. Gonzalez. I'm familiar with this case and would be happy to pile on more evidence to this point if the above is insufficient. Chetsford (talk) 17:26, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Chetsford, so Jose Luis Gonzalez aka J.L. Goez, aka Joe Gonzalez is Joe L. Gonzalez, the former chairman of TELACU. That wasn't entirely clear from the single citation that was provided in the edit that I reverted. It only mentioned a "Joe L Gonzales". After reviewing the additional sources provided since that revert, I agree that they're very likely the same person. A bit more context would be helpful. Vexations (talk) 21:14, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. The edit summary isn't really conducive to providing a high level of detail as I did above. This is one reason engaging on the Talk page prior to undoing an edit about which one has questions is considered a best practice. Chetsford (talk) 08:29, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "TELACU: Agency Told to Repay $1 Million". Los Angeles Times. April 17, 1983. Retrieved March 18, 2021 – via newspapers.com.(subscription required)
^ Chávez, John R. (1998). Eastside Landmark A History of the East Los Angeles Community Union, 1968-1993. Stanford University Press. p. 207. ISBN 9780804733335.
^ Bauman, Robert (2014). Race and the War on Poverty: From Watts to East L.A. University of Oklahoma Press. p. 104. ISBN 0806185201.
^ "TELACU: New Book on Agency". Los Angeles Times. April 27, 1999. Retrieved March 18, 2021 – via newspapers.com.(subscription required)
^ Kurtz, Howie (August 12, 1982). "Audit Says Anti-Poverty Agency And Subsidiaries Misused Funds". Washington Post. Retrieved March 18, 2021.

[1] "TELACU: Agency Told to Repay $1 Million". Los Angeles Times. April 17, 1983. Retrieved March 18, 2021 – via newspapers.com.(subscription required)

[2] Chávez, John R. (1998). Eastside Landmark A History of the East Los Angeles Community Union, 1968-1993. Stanford University Press. p. 207. ISBN 9780804733335.

[3] Bauman, Robert (2014). Race and the War on Poverty: From Watts to East L.A. University of Oklahoma Press. p. 104. ISBN 0806185201.

[4] "TELACU: New Book on Agency". Los Angeles Times. April 27, 1999. Retrieved March 18, 2021 – via newspapers.com.(subscription required)

[5] Kurtz, Howie (August 12, 1982). "Audit Says Anti-Poverty Agency And Subsidiaries Misused Funds". Washington Post. Retrieved March 18, 2021.

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