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I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. This article is B-class, but it needs much work on several fronts; my full review is on the comments page. Questions and comments can be left here or on my talk page. Magic♪piano 02:53, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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There're far too many links to non-existing wikipedia articles. I invite active editors on this article to delete them. Thank you. --Karljoos (talk) 22:17, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think I count as an "active editor on this article", though I did make a few contributions long ago, and it is still on my watch list. I have made a start at removing the redlinks, and at the same time have delinked many dates, and attempted to put dates into a consistent format (D-M-Y, which seemed to be the predominant one in the article itself, though not the work list, which was mainly M-D-Y).—Jerome Kohl (talk) 00:27, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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==Composers Project Assessment of José Pablo Moncayo: 2008-12-21==

This is an assessment of article José Pablo Moncayo by a member of the Composers project, according to its assessment criteria. This review was done by Magicpiano.

If an article is well-cited, the reviewer is assuming that the article reflects reasonably current scholarship, and deficiencies in the historical record that are documented in a particular area will be appropriately scored. If insufficient inline citations are present, the reviewer will assume that deficiencies in that area may be cured, and that area may be scored down.

Adherence to overall Wikipedia standards (WP:MOS, WP:WIAGA, WP:WIAFA) are the reviewer's opinion, and are not a substitute for the Wikipedia's processes for awarding Good Article or Featured Article status.

===Origins/family background/studies=== Does the article reflect what is known about the composer's background and childhood? If s/he received musical training as a child, who from, is the experience and nature of the early teachers' influences described?

ok

===Early career=== Does the article indicate when s/he started composing, discuss early style, success/failure? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?

ok, except no personal details.

===Mature career=== Does the article discuss his/her adult life and composition history? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?

ok, except no personal details.

===List(s) of works=== Are lists of the composer's works in WP, linked from this article? If there are special catalogs (e.g. Köchel for Mozart, Hoboken for Haydn), are they used? If the composer has written more than 20-30 works, any exhaustive listing should be placed in a separate article.

ok

===Critical appreciation=== Does the article discuss his/her style, reception by critics and the public (both during his/her life, and over time)?

no significant mentions of style or reception.

===Illustrations and sound clips=== Does the article contain images of its subject, birthplace, gravesite or other memorials, important residences, manuscript pages, museums, etc? Does it contain samples of the composer's work (as composer and/or performer, if appropriate)? (Note that since many 20th-century works are copyrighted, it may not be possible to acquire more than brief fair use samples of those works, but efforts should be made to do so.) If an article is of high enough quality, do its images and media comply with image use policy and non-free content policy? (Adherence to these is needed for Good Article or Featured Article consideration, and is apparently a common reason for nominations being quick-failed.)

No sound or images.

===References, sources and bibliography=== Does the article contain a suitable number of references? Does it contain sufficient inline citations? (For an article to pass Good Article nomination, every paragraph possibly excepting those in the lead, and every direct quotation, should have at least one footnote.) If appropriate, does it include Further Reading or Bibliography beyond the cited references?

Article appears well-referenced. May need more inline cites for formal review.

===Structure and compliance with WP:MOS=== Does the article comply with Wikipedia style and layout guidelines, especially WP:MOS, WP:LEAD, WP:LAYOUT, and possibly WP:SIZE? (Article length is not generally significant, although Featured Articles Candidates may be questioned for excessive length.)

lead is short. Prose needs work.

===Things that may be necessary to pass a Good Article review===

Article requires more inline citations (WP:CITE)
Article lead needs work (WP:LEAD)
Article needs (more) images and/or other media (MOS:IMAGE)

===Summary=== This is a bio about a seemingly important figure in Mexican music. It appears that the major contributors' first language is not English; the article needs a variety of copyediting tasks to improve the language (lapses of grammar and tense among them). There are occasional lapses of focus; the detailed discussion of the academics at the National Conservatory is too long. When Moncayo is offered a position with the OSM, we are not told what position he was offered. (This is exacerbated by the fact that in the section on his academic studies, we do not learn anywhere that he studied percussion, we only learn of his piano skills.)

I never got a good sense of what his music is like stylistically; there is also little about critical and popular reception. Perhaps this sort of information needs to be taken from more scholarly Mexican sources, if, as the article claims, there is little English scholarship. The article lists an impressive array of references in the misnamed Bibliography section (Bibliography is conventionally used for written works by an article's subject; the references should be listed under References or Sources).

The article desparately needs images to break the text up. If images of the subject cannot be acquired then thematically appropriate photos related to things mentioned in the article should be provided.

The article is B-class; it needs work, on content, structure, and language. Magic♪piano 02:51, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 02:51, 21 December 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 20:36, 29 April 2016 (UTC)