Talk:Jon Nunnally

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In 2005, while playing for the Indianapolis Indians in the Pittsburgh Pirates organization, Nunnally tested positive for steroids, and received a 15-game suspension,[1] in what would be Nunnally's last season as a professional player.

This statement is cited to a broken page and needs to be removed. Per Jonathan Nunnally it also depicts incorrect information. Per Jonathan Nunnally, he tested positive for a water pill (diuretic). He did not test positive for steriods. Cyn0924 (talk) 00:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We don't remove content just because links are broken; many broken links can be rescued (which I'll now go try to do, for this).

We also don't remove things purely because the subject of a page denies them, because then we'd never be able to write about any controversy of any kind. However, Nunnally's denial may be included if you can get a reliable, independent source for it. AntiDionysius (talk) 00:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Understood on the above however, the broken page and cited source was a sports article. That is not a reliable or verifiable source. Information such as a suspension due to steriod use should only be cited from the MLB or direct MLB source and not a random sports editor or sports article. Statements such as drug or steriod use affect reputation, career and hireability. I will come back with a reliable and independant source. In the meantime I suggest that it be removed due to the impacts of such slander. Cyn0924 (talk) 00:20, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As noted below, the broken link has been fixed and backed up by a New York Times article. AntiDionysius (talk) 00:22, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've replaced the broken link with one from the New York Times. ... discospinster _talk 00:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You were quicker on the draw than me! I've put the rescued old link in too, since I had gone and found it before I saw your edit. AntiDionysius (talk) 00:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just because it was the New York Times does not mean that it is factual information. That is considered a tabloid (I will find the term in Wikipedias directory. As stated above, that is not a reliable or verifiable source. Information such as a suspension due to steriod use should only be cited from the MLB or direct MLB source and not a random sports editor or sports article. Statements such as drug or steriod use affect reputation, career and hireability. I will come back with a reliable and independant source. In the meantime I suggest that it be removed due to the impacts of such slander. Cyn0924 (talk) 00:23, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia considers the New York Times and the Associated Press to be reliable: see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. ... discospinster _talk 00:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How about referencing Wikipedia on the 2005 MLB drug suspensions. Had Nunnally tested positive for performance enhancing drugs or "steriods" he would have been suspended for 50 games, not the 15 he was suspended for. Nunnally was suspended for only 15 games because he tested positive for a water pill (diuretic) that prescribed by his GP. List of Major League Baseball players suspended for performance-enhancing drugs Cyn0924 (talk) 00:53, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are reliable sources saying he tested positive for drugs, and we go by what the sources say. To try to say the sources are wrong on the basis of our own reading of the implications of the length of the suspension would be a case of original research, which we don't do. AntiDionysius (talk) 00:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not the place to try to fix the historical record, I'm afraid. AntiDionysius (talk) 00:57, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is the first thing that comes up when you google a persons name and it's also the source for which other websites feed information from. Such as this exact publishing in a childrens sports encyclopedia. Cyn0924 (talk) 01:31, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. As the link I just posted says:

Wikipedia is a popular site, and its articles often appear high in search engine rankings. You might think that Wikipedia is a great place to set the record straight and right great wrongs, but that is absolutely not the case. While we can record the righting of great wrongs, we can't actually "ride the crest of the wave" ourselves. We are, by design, supposed to be "behind the curve". This is because we only report information that is verifiable using reliable sources, and we base articles on secondary and independent sources...Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought or original research. Wikipedia doesn't lead; we follow. Let reliable sources make the novel connections and statements. Finding neutral ways of presenting them is what we do

AntiDionysius (talk) 02:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In other words, we're not going to contradict the NYT and AP, unless you have some even better sourcing or later corrections from those outlets. AntiDionysius (talk) 02:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]