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Vehicle

News reports appear to indicate it was not "his vehicle" but one belonging to someone else. 2600:1011:A03F:6A27:E402:7AEF:9948:B165 (talk) 02:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disregard. Later news reports are clear that it was his car. 2600:1011:A03F:6A27:E402:7AEF:9948:B165 (talk) 15:35, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reference

@JFHJr

May I ask why you removed that last source? It say to be careful, it doesn't say not to use them. I would like to restore it, unless there is a valid reason for it's removal. Thank you, TanRabbitry (talk) 00:43, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The valid reason was in my edit summary. Caution is the source's rating at WP:RSNP. Its usefulness here is unclear other than to insert the word "murder," an ulterior WP:POV purpose. The referenced paragraph was fine without it. In fact, a WP:LEDE shouldn't even be packed with refs like that. See also WP:MOSLEDE. Cheers. JFHJr (㊟) 00:49, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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How does point of view apply here? You seem to be mixing up guidelines. "POV" doesn't apply, because there isn't a contrarily reported cause of death. The difference of opinion is over how the article is written. That is a wholly different thing. Thank you, TanRabbitry (talk) 00:53, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Murder, a legal term, has never been a cause of death, also a legal term. You know this from identical discussions elsewhere. JFHJr (㊟) 00:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Type or kind, of death," would have been more accurate, but this is bordering on being pedantic. Not to see we haven't all done that, it is inevitable to creep towards that in this sort of discussion. TanRabbitry (talk) 01:05, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Language

I'll phrase it this way, then:

This page was edited to change a word. Said editor provided a reason for change. I answered that reason by adding relevant citations. Where is the wrongdoing? TanRabbitry (talk) 00:48, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You added multiple poor sources to source the word murder to add a POV not found in the many excellent, relevant RS. Hindustan Times is not that bad a source. But it is 8,000 miles from the scene in a country with a completely different legal system. Why use it for the source of a legal term? O3000, Ret. (talk) 15:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]