Talk:Johnny Somali

Japanese Article that Includes police investigation ascertaining to johnny somalis ethnicity as ethiopian

https://web.archive.org/web/20230929103712/https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/2224f9fad0ccff5a76140ceaaafdff72b8be95f1

You will find it in page 2 where its stated Suspect Khalid is said to be of Ethiopian descent... the wiki page should be changed since it is wrong to label him as somali when this national japanese news article clearly debunks this. Braveeagle836 (talk) 20:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Thw current enwiki article says "Ismael was born in Phoenix, Arizona, to a Somali father and an Ethiopian mother". So he's both. seefooddiet (talk) 21:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

The article being used is a spam article while the one I provided is a credible national japanese news article which also includes a police investigation and they clearly stated him to be ethiopian. Many other sources also debunk his claim of being of somali descent. Braveeagle836 (talk) 05:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

BBC News is considered a reliable source on Wikipedia. seefooddiet (talk) 05:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

As a side note, see this below thread. I think its likely the user I'm replying to in this thread is affiliated with that Somali forum (likely the user who posted about changing Wikipedia and the Japanese police investigation). Considering the incentive to try and disassociate Johnny Somali with Somalia, I would treat this with skepticism. We rely on what reliable sources are saying. The Japanese investigation can be mentioned, but it should be given appropriate weight, per WP:DUE. seefooddiet (talk) 03:53, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

johnny somali has confirmed in his livestream multiple times, that he is Ethiopian and mixed with Yemeni. He also mentioned the tribe his father is from (Oromo) B.n1pr (talk) 12:41, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

I already replied to you below seefooddiet (talk) 17:10, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

No that was not me that was someone else. By the way are you the editor who put his ethniticy on his wiki page. B.n1pr (talk) 19:23, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

[1] Yes it was you. No, I was not the one to put his ethnicity. I don't care what his ethnicity is. What I do know is that a lot of people care, often for reasons that are purely nationalistic. seefooddiet (talk) 19:45, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Also considering he claimed he was a Somalian child soldier before I don't think we should trust anything he says. You really think he's trustworthy? seefooddiet (talk) 17:48, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

than why would the editor confirm his ethnicity if anything he says is not trustworthy. The Somalic community on tiktok has called him out for the slurs and innaproiate things he said about the country and citizens. This happend on tiktoklive. Plus before he went by the name “johnny Somali” he went by habesha capital. B.n1pr (talk) 19:20, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Because that's what the BBC reported, and the BBC is a reliable source. I dislike Johnny Somali and don't know what his ethnicity is (and honestly don't care). He doesn't represent Somali, Ethiopia, Yemen, or wherever. I am solely trying to apply Wikipedia standards; I apply these same standards on every other page. seefooddiet (talk) 19:47, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi the BBC article mentions what he alleges he is but offers no confirmation that he is. So it should say He claims to be

There is another reliable news website that clarifies that he is actually Ethiopian and not Somali and that he has been criticized for using it as his Alias.

Despite his alias, Ismael is not of Somali descent; he previously confirmed that he is of Ethiopian heritage

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https://www.hiiraan.com/news4/2024/Nov/198864/american_youtuber_johnny_somali_criticized_by_somali_diaspora_for_damaging_identity.aspx

With that said i am going to include this source and the yahoo source

Since it's confirmed that he is both an Americana and Ethiopian. It should say Ethiopian-American. GebreAraara (talk) 07:24, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Several things to note:

• There is now conflicting information about his ethnicity. You should mention that the information is conflicting. Do not portray him as unambiguously Ethiopian.
• You should not put "Ethiopian-American" in the lead, per MOS:ETHNICITY. You should just mention his descent in the body, in the early life section.

seefooddiet (talk) 07:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Now we have additional two credible sources one from that Yahoo news link that other editor mentioned and another from a reliable news website saying that he is of Ethiopian descent and that his not Somali despite the alias he carries. So its pretty straight forward.

I'll keep it balanced. But it's important to structure it to separate what is claimed from what other sources confirm him to be.

Is it ok if i add a criticism section? GebreAraara (talk) 12:07, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

It's not straightforward. Straightforward is if all the sources agreed or if you had an overwhelming majority. 2 to 1 is not straightforward.

Criticism sections are discouraged per WP:CSECTION, especially for WP:BLP. seefooddiet (talk) 19:01, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

The truth will be revealed B.n1pr (talk) 20:19, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

The thing is you could be right; he could be 100% not Somalian. But your credibility on this page is already damaged by the obvious nationalism. I hope to see the truth come out but your vote in determining it will be weighed less. seefooddiet (talk) 20:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

By my nationalism? What do you mean by that. B.n1pr (talk) 10:41, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I was clear before and don't need to repeat myself. The fact that you posted the exact link mentioned in this thread filled with obvious nationalists who disliek Ethiopian people (JazakAllah khayr sister. You are right. Ethiopian culture is so degenerate it does not even register as news for them) is really damning. Your credibility is done. Do not attempt to distance yourself from this, you will not succeed.

I will not reply to you anymore, this is not productive and you've proven you have basically nothing more to add to this conversation. seefooddiet (talk) 19:54, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I am not even Somali, so i am outside of this nationalist conflict that you both are arguing with eachother.

I represented all the sources in line with how they are written and i did not remove much at all, only the twitter link which is self-publication.

And also ask on the talk page before making changes. I consulted this talk page before making edit changes and notified you GebreAraara (talk) 20:48, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

The Japanese article doesn't mention a police investigation finding him to be Ethiopian; it just says "he is said to be Ethiopian" ("　カリド容疑者はエチオピア系アフリカ人とされている。") Your previous edit also gave too much weight to the Japanese report; it made it seem more definite than it actually is. Also the first ref is being used incorrectly; in that ref it just says he is Somalian-American, with no other info about his ethnicity. Your edit also had a number of grammar and spelling issues. Could you explain what you dislike about my edits? seefooddiet (talk) 20:52, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

The Yahoo news article is citing a police reporting at the time that he was detained by the Japanese police and it says "The Suspect is said to be of Ethiopian descent" and the also cast skepticism about his other claims.

I did not include a ref link that said Somalian-American at all.

Also follow normal wikipedia protocol

all relevant point of view should be included. I included the claims he makes, included what other reporting's say. I also wrote it in a neutral language

In line with WP:YESPOV

I explained this to you before i made an edit.

I also do not comprehend your framing of sources as "Somalian News" and "Japanese News". These are all reliable general news sites. We don't for example phrase a BBC news article as "British News".

Also we cannot write "it's unclear what his background is" because no source as of yet have commented this.

Also accusations you make on the talk pages are not welcomed in my opinion.

As wikipedia editors we are meant to WP:DGF so i hope you do moving forward.

The reflinks are fine and you can make grammar fixes without making radical changes. GebreAraara (talk) 21:14, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

1. The Yahoo news article is not citing the police report at that sentence, it's just citing general knowledge. In that same paragraph it even repeats the claims about Somali claiming to be a child soldier.
2. Ok I was slightly wrong about this, but my overall point still stands. This is being used incorrect. You wrote Ismael claims to have been born to Ethiopian, Somali and Yemeni parents and gave ref #3: [2]. Ref #3 says Ninkan oo la sheegay inuu yahay Soomaali-Ameerikaan ayaa isku sheega in yaraantiisii uu askar ahaa, isla markaana uu yahay burcad-badeed sida ku xusan bartiisa Youtube-ka. -> The man, who is said to be Somali-American, a child soldier, and a pirate, according to his YouTube channel. Muuqaal kiis ayuu ku sheegay in aabihiis uu yahay Soomaali halka hooyadii ay tahay Itoobiyaan, "waxaan doonayaa in aan hal wax caddeeyo, aabahay waa Soomaali hooyadayna Itoobiyaan, hooyaday waa Oromo," ayuu yiri. -> "In a video, he said that his father is Somali and his mother is Ethiopian". Yemeni is not mentioned in this source.
3. You are misinterpreting what I wrote. This is likely a grammar issue; I suspect English is not your first language (which is ok). I did not paint one Japanese source as representing all of Japan, I just said "a Japanese source". This does not have the implication of delegitimizing the source. If you'd like, I could name the source in full, but it's not normally an important distinction.

You're also misinterpreting how good faith works on Wikipedia. I did initially engage in good faith. Once it became clear that others were not, and that the user I was replying to was from a forum with nationalist (and racist) intent, I stopped engaging in good faith. You're asking people on Wikipedia to have infinite patience, but that's not how the website works. seefooddiet (talk) 21:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

1. It's reporting on an ongoing case , it even literally qoutes the police throughout it like "Chief Cabinet Secretary Matsuno Hirokazu" 松野博一官房長官は9月22日の定例記者会見でカリド容疑者の逮捕について触れ、以下のように警鐘を鳴らした。 and other reported updates from them.

カリド容疑者はエチオピア系アフリカ人とされている。あくまでも自称だが、元少年兵で、ソマリアの海賊だったと主張。ネット上では「州立大学卒」「金融関係」「不動産経営」などの情報も乱れ飛んでいるが、真偽は定かではない。

They report about him being of Ethiopian descent but the rest are claims he making himself online about being a child soldier and somali pirate and they cast skepticism about it. And even say "self-proclaimed" before it and at the ends say "the truth of these claims are unclear"

So the person you were arguing with before is correct. Before it was written in a way that confirmed mere claims and self-proclamations.

Even though the source used does not do make such confirmations.

2. The article you quoted is inline with how i wrote it originally that he claims to have been born to Ethiopian and Somali parents. As well as his claims to be a child soldier and pirate, which is also mentioned with added skepticism in the Yahoo news source.

3. You cannot say "japanese source" because it's a Yahoo general news site. It's not about representing all of Japan, its general news site that reports on general news.

4. I haven't seen neither me or the other person mentioning anything about a forum or use it as a source.

So you are basically throwing around baseless accusations and speclations about peoples motives and it doesn't follow Assume Good Faith.

From what i can see he the original talk page poster shared that Yahoo news link with the hope that an editor would include it create a fair and balanced representation. GebreAraara (talk) 22:11, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

1. Considering there are rumors and quotes from the police interspersed in the report, it's not clear what the claim is coming from. I do not buy that there is certainty here. If we continue to disagree, may be best to reach out to third party arbitration.
2. You misunderstood my point. I'm saying him being Yemeni is not in that source.
3. You again misunderstood my point. I'm saying, to most native English speakers, there's nothing dismissive about saying "a japanese source" and that that term doesn't make it seem like it represents all of Japan. This is a minor issue; can address it to your satisfaction.
4. What? I never accused you of anything. My chain of reasoning here was that that specific Japanese source was discussed first on that Somalian forum, and then the Somalian forum members said "hey we should edit Wikipedia", then a post was made on here with that source. Thus, it's safe to assume that forum members are here. That forum is not being used as a source, I never said that.

Not baseless accusations.

If this disagreement continues, will reach out to WP:Third opinion to get more editors to comment on the situation. seefooddiet (talk) 22:17, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

1. They don't say it is a rumor at all in the source. It literally says "reports". There is a full point cut off between the actual reporting of his Ethiopian descent and when they mentioned the claims made by him, what is floating online and self-proclamations.

It's important to read the whole source in it's entirety and its context.

2. I removed the Yemeni part, my apologies not sure how that added to it in the first place. You are correct there

3. It could be possible that it's source/reporting that was widely shared and it might have ended up on that site and it's not entirely connected. But i am not sure myself because i can only speak for myself. At first i thought you was accusing me.

I agree with you we should not have any nationalist or racist leaning.

I think it looks good the way it is now. With a few corrections give or take. It represents all points of views and it's written in a neutral languages. GebreAraara (talk) 22:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

The Japanese source says "it is said that" right next to a rumor. You're inferring from the context of the overall article, but the article is already mixing information from the police and rumors. When it comes to a WP:BLP, you have to lean conservative about what you report. I'm not convinced that that is conclusively coming from the Japanese police investigation.

I'm going to issue the corrections if it's ok. We'll have to hash things out and meet in the middle. seefooddiet (talk) 22:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

How is it a rumor , when in the next it's claims he has made himself? The next sentence over it says "He claims to be a.."

The rest of the article ends with "said the reporter" and the reporter said before and after the paragraph.

So it's not mixing in rumors, it's journalism/reporting and comments/reports from the police.

Let me know what corrections you are going to make first, it's better one person does the editing to avoid an edit war and we make requests/suggestions here GebreAraara (talk) 22:58, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I'm going to WP:RFC. I think other people need to weigh in on this. seefooddiet (talk) 23:09, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I think it is better we resolve it quickly here. Instead of allowing it to drag on.

I think we agree on a few things here and make a few compromises. I'll edit back some stuff and down size some of what you believe is "undeweight"

Write out and let me know what more needs to be changed GebreAraara (talk) 23:16, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

We have already come to an impasse on how to interpret the Japanese-language article. I don't think we will resolve it anytime soon. I have also already provided my desired changes in the recent edit. I think you are weighting the Japanese article, even if we accepted it as a police investigation, too highly. It is more appropriate to say that he has given conflicting information about his ethnicity. I think reaching out to others will be useful; third perspectives are helpful here. seefooddiet (talk) 23:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Yahoo News is a news aggregator. It is sharing an article from a Japanese newspaper called Daily Shincho. You can see the Daily Shincho logo on the article itself. The nationalist dispute over his ethnicity is relevant to the article; if you don't want it there it can go later in the biography. seefooddiet (talk) 23:17, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I have added it back some changes you made. How does it look now?

I don't have a dispute over his ethnicity, whatever he may be i honestly don't think it matters.

It's not for us to cast judgments and make biased confirmations on what he may or may not be. I do however wish to see an inclusive article that reflects a balanced view of the information that's out there and known.

I originally meant for it to be a quick edit to include the 1 source i brought as an addition. GebreAraara (talk) 23:36, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

"reporting in connection with a Japanese police investigation" is WP:WEASEL. Neither of us know for sure if the ethnicity in that report came from the police investigation; attempting to associate the two because it's possible it was an investigation is WP:UNDUE. In a WP:BLP you have to be more conservative than that.

"Has previously confirmed" is also undue; "confirmed" is used for definite claims, but he has already made conflicting reports on his own.

How we should interpret that news article (the hiiraan one) is this: Somali has made multiple claims about his ethnicity. What that news article thinks about his ethnicity is not really relevant; the article is based on Somali's words at the core, and it is obviously nationalistically asserting that Somali is not Somalian. In short, all you should be getting from that article is that Somali also claimed he is full Ethiopian. seefooddiet (talk) 00:09, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

It's from an article reporting on a police investigation. That's all it says.

The Hiraan article says:

Despite his alias, Ismael is not of Somali descent; he previously confirmed that he is of Ethiopian heritage.

This is a direct quotation And i included it. and i changed it into "alleges" for neutrality sake.

It's not coming from a Somali claim either. its a direct statement made by the news publication. GebreAraara (talk) 00:26, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

We're continually miscommunicating I think due to language barrier.

I'm saying we have established that 1. it is not clear whether his ethnicity is directly from that police investigation 2. putting "reporting covering a Japanese police investigation" or similar may be undue weight on the validity of the claim, which may ultimately just be from Johnny again 3. this falls under WP:WEASEL.

The Hiraan article is getting its facts from Johnny himself. That's what I'm saying. It doesn't really matter what they think, especially if they have nationalistic language in the body right next to their analysis.

This is why we need a third party to comment. seefooddiet (talk) 00:49, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Just to note, as I believe it's relevant to this discussion. The user GebreAraara has received a warning for vandalism of articles related to Ethiopia. I would proceed with scepticism about this users claims of objectivity, and to the intent of why they want to add these sources to the page. 82.152.43.32 (talk) 13:23, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Just to clarify, i got a spam by a random account on my talk page, so i haven't recieved an actual vandalism warning. They saw a single edit i made where i forgot to include a ref and mistook it for vandal, which it wasn't. You can look through all my contribs to weigh in on it. GebreAraara (talk) 18:22, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

I have looked through your contributions. This is the revision which could be considered vandalism. This contains discriminatory language, and opinions presented as fact. It appears to have been added in bad faith.

As noted by seefooddiet. Wikipedia should not be governed by racists with an agenda to push. Please be wary that this user has a pattern and may not be acting in good faith. 82.152.43.32 (talk) 11:52, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

I think this is a discussion better suited for GebreAraara's talk page. I wouldn't say that edit is strictly vandalism, be careful of using that accusation per WP:TENDENTIOUS. It's just a poorly sourced and haphazardly worded edit. Let's keep this discussion focused on the main topic. seefooddiet (talk) 21:12, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

He is indeed not somali! B.n1pr (talk) 16:25, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Your gleeful definite affirmation of what you want to be true isn't helping the appearance of what is happening here. Nationalism should not be a factor in this. seefooddiet (talk) 16:44, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

I’ve based my perspective on solid facts, and I believe they point to a different conclusion. Nationalism shouldn’t obscure the reality of the situation, and it’s important to look at the evidence objectively B.n1pr (talk) 17:55, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

The issue is that the facts aren't solid, even the other commenter has agreed with that. You're too eager to present the facts as solid only in one specific direction that happens to align with a nationalist narrative, even resorting to advocating for the use of unreliable social media sources to get that narrative in.

I'm not going to discuss this much further; I'm expressing skepticisms of your advocacy for others to see. seefooddiet (talk) 18:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Here, you are contradicting yourself. On his Wikipedia page, it states that Ismail claimed to have been a Somali child soldier. You approved claims made by him or others on his page, even though you previously responded to me with,” I don’t think we should trust anything he says”. You really think he’s trustworthy?’ The source attached to this claim also expressed doubt about his being a child soldier B.n1pr (talk) 21:15, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm not contradicting myself. The key thing you're missing is that the BBC, a reliable source, is acting as a middle-man. If another reliable sources comes out and says "Johnny Somali now claims he isn't Somalian", we can put it in the article. We just can't use like a direct Tiktok video or something as a source.

You're right that we do need to express skepticism of that claim in-line though. I'll add that. seefooddiet (talk) 21:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

3O Response: Procedurally declining a request for a third opinion, as there are clearly more than two editors involved in this dispute. Editors are welcome to pursue other forms of dispute resolution. DonIago (talk) 01:35, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

B.n1pr isn't party to the most recent dispute. I'll reach out to RfC instead. seefooddiet (talk) 01:41, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't see how you can claim that they're not a party to the dispute when they commented in this thread as recently as yesterday. I also think it's a bit dubious to claim on someone else's behalf that they're not a party to a dispute in general, but even if they weren't, there would still be more than two editors who have commented in this thread. If there's a distinct dispute within this thread which only involves two editors, I would recommend that it be more clearly delineated. But, you're welcome to initiate an RfC. DonIago (talk) 04:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, there is a more distinct dispute regarding the specifics of wording a new addition to the article. B.n1pr has not engaged with the addition specifically. They could in future, but did not by the time I made the 3O request. Either way, this back and forth is not productive and I won't pursue it further. I'll weigh whether to move forward with an RfC. seefooddiet (talk) 04:56, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Users on Somalispot forum attempting to make edits to this page

Users on Somali forums are attempting to mass edit this page. Is there any way to protect the article against users who deliberately trying to sabotage it? [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:4B00:D31A:2300:C51E:8421:5D21:FF61 (talk • contribs) 13:30 2 November 2024 (UTC)

So far it's just that one person; I responded to them above. We only apply protection if it's a more persistent issue. I'm monitoring this page so will apply for protection if it gets out of hand, but so far it's been fine seefooddiet (talk) 13:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Johnny Somali is not Somali, and it’s important that accurate information is shared. Editors should be accountable for their reporting and avoid relying on unreliable sources or overlooking critical details. Editor Seefooddiet, I urge you to carefully reconsider the information being presented, as it could lead to serious consequences if not addressed. B.n1pr (talk) 18:32, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

[4] I already replied here, do not make the same ask again without presenting reliable sources. If you present reliable sources we can edit it. Otherwise I will not budge. seefooddiet (talk) 18:57, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

I missed this before from that forum thread, but highlighting it now. The anti-Ethiopian racism in that thread is disgusting. JazakAllah khayr sister. You are right. Ethiopian culture is so degenerate it does not even register as news for them. I could care less what ethnicity Johnny Somali is, but Wikipedia should not be governed by racists with an agenda to push. seefooddiet (talk) 19:58, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Johnny Somali's height

It should be mentioned that his actual height is 157cm / 5'2ft LibertatemNed (talk) 11:20, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

i don't really think it should; it's not WP:ENCYCLOPEDIC (he's not an athlete so it's not really relevant to his main notability). if you have a reliable source for it that might help, but even then i don't think there's a good case for it being in the article seefooddiet (talk) 11:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

It's information about him. I think it's relevant to add it in his wiki. Especially since he's so infamous LibertatemNed (talk) 12:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Is he known for his height? No. – robertsky (talk) 12:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Kind Of LibertatemNed (talk) 12:38, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

sources? – robertsky (talk) 12:42, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Read WP:ENCYCLOPEDIC, I linked it earlier and it applies here seefooddiet (talk) 16:32, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Former?

Since his accounts have been terminated, and he's been imprisoned in South Korea, is it okay to call him a former live streamer, and change some of his actions (streaming, uploading, posting, etc) to past tense, or is it too soon to tell? - OpalYosutebito (talk) 22:38, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

too soon to tell seefooddiet (talk) 22:41, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

List of attacks in South Korea

Multiple people have physically assaulted him recently in South Korea. He most recently had his eye swollen shut and mouth busted open, as well as being given a concussion.
It might be important to list how he's been attacked and critically injured. This page is going to be an obituary sooner than later. I've never seen someone so screwed before. 2600:100A:B050:4BEB:3870:48FF:FEF0:59DA (talk) 05:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

This article isn't named List of attacks on Johnny Somali. The article already states that he has been assaulted on multiple occasions while live streaming. I really don't think we need to extrapolate each occasion unless they are significant given the number of times it's happened. TarnishedPath^talk 06:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I would support a section like this. NutmegCoffeeTea (she/her) (talk) 19:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

You need to change his ethnicity

He is not Somali and it is confirmed by him in a video. He is oromo and yemeni as confirmed by him. So your facts are wrong here 2604:3D09:737B:F660:45EC:CD39:30A2:F3C7 (talk) 08:34, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't think we should take the word of someone (Johnny Somali) who has a demonstrated history of dishonesty. We're better off sticking to what reliable sources say. TarnishedPath^talk 09:52, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Korean parliament discussion

He has even drawn criticism in the South Korean parliament where during an October 30 session, several officials voiced concerns over his actions, concluding that his behavior would be monitored moving forward. [5]

Would appreciate more details on the discussion that happened. – robertsky (talk) 13:58, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

This article may require cleanup

While reading this article, I noticed words like "allegedly" which may indicate speculative content and potential original research. PersonAccount 🐉 (talk) 04:34, 20 November 2024 (UTC)