Talk:Johnny Hyde

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The article was rather poorly formatted. I've made primarily cosmetic changes, fixed some spacing, and fixed the syntax in a couple of sentences. That's it. This should probably be two pages with a disambiguation, but I'm not going there. At least not right now. Wjl2 (talk) 20:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above editor does not appear to have edited this article at all. I have removed a completely unsourced addition,possibly about another person with the same name, which made nonsense of the whole article. RolandR (talk) 16:40, 6 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. I don't recall ever even seeing this article, much less editing it. The comment is similar to my writing style, except that I'm pretty sure I've never used the phrase "...not going there" in any context. I ran across your (RonaldR) comment by happenstance.

Left his wife for Marilyn Monroe?

I am familiar with the notion that Johnny Hyde was in love with Marilyn Monroe, left his wife for her, she lived with him, submitted to his advances. I am not, however, clear on how this rumor got started. I wonder how we know so much about it. I don't think we are getting the info from her, or from him. Even a first-person account could be a lie, people lie in their own memoirs about who they've slept with. This is not, I hope, a controversial point. But at least a first-person account would be from somebody who could conceivably know what they are talking about. I don't mean to be tedious, I just am logically unable to figure out how there could possibly be any evidence at all for such assertions. What sort of trustworthy source of information is there about Johnny Hyde's affair with Marilyn Monroe? It's conceivable, it's not ridiculous that somebody slept with somebody, and neither of them were virgins, but how are we so sure? He wanted her to marry him? She said no? He left his wife for her? This is a lot of information about events that transpired over 65 years ago. Maybe it's just made up?

Also by the way, 'left his wife' does not even tell me a name for this supposed wife. Did they, like, actually get divorced? When did they marry? Were there children? We don't know these things, but we know all about his affair with Marilyn Monroe. You tell me, this is reasonable? Wife was Mozelle Cravens Hyde, you're welcome. Here is a quote about Johnny Hyde as Marilyn told Maurice Zolotow as related in the book 'Marilyn Monroe', and by the way, this is the only substantive biography of Monroe by someone who was a contemporary and who interviewed her and many others in her life in the mid to late 1950s:

“I met Johnny at Palm Springs in nineteen-forty-nine. I went with these people for a weekend, and Johnny Hyde saw me from a distance and Bernard what’s-his-name, this photographer, said he’d like to take some pictures of me, and we went to the Racquet Club, and Johnny was there and met me, but I didn’t remember it but he did. He was among many strangers I was introduced to, and it didn’t take the first time. It was at the pool he said I was swimming in it, and we were introduced at the pool. Then he was over at the people’s house I was staying with, and that’s when I remember him. We had some drinks and we talked. Johnny was marvellous, he really was. He believed in my talents. He listened to me when I talked, and he encouraged me. He said I would be a very big star. I remember laughing and saying it didn’t look like it because I couldn’t make enough to pay my telephone bill. He said he had discovered Lana Turner and other stars and that I had more than Lana and it was a cinch I would go far. He had seen me in Love Happy, which was just released. He explained something to me that I didn’t realise before. This was that if you are a star it is hard to find little roles. They either have to give you a star part, even if it isn’t big, or nothing. I couldn’t love him as much as he did me, but I did not go out with any other men during the time I was seeing him, not seriously. Isn’t it sad that I loved Freddy and he didn’t love me and then here’s Johnny in love with me and I didn’t return his love? But Johnny was kind to me and I was faithful to him”.

Okay, in her words, she was 'seeing him', and was 'faithful to him'. I'm not 100% certain what we take that to mean, but I also can point out that Donald Spoto's biography "Marilyn Monroe" on page 223, says this:

"Then, for a few scenes in Niagara, Hathaway asked her to wear her own clothes, but she replied without embarrassment that she possessed only slacks, sweaters and one black suit, which she bought for Johnny Hyde's funeral."

She went to his funeral with his wife and his four sons? Cheeky if they were sleeping together. DanLanglois (talk) 09:33, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]