Talk:John Y. Brown (politician, born 1835)

GA Review

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   a (fair representation): b (all significant views):

5. It is stable.

   

6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.

   a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):

7. Overall:

   a Pass/Fail:

Wow! I think this is the best article I've reviewed for GA in my short history of reviewing articles for GA! I do have a few minor issues, however, that need to be dealt with before I can promote this otherwise excellent article to GA.

1. Footnote #4 is not working
2. I think the later life and death section could be expanded a bit. I'm not sure if this is something that would actually bar the article from becoming GA, or if I'm just suggesting it for future revision, but since the footnote needs to be fixed anyways, it might be something to think about. When I read the section, I had a couple of questions. What were the reasons/circumstances for his losing the 1896 race after he had been so popular before? Was this due to the rift in the party? You don't have to answer those questions specifically of course, but those are the types of questions I would ask if I wanted to expand the section. Also, the part about Powers' trial could definitely use some expansion, especially since there are some facts that you mention in the lead that are not present in the body of the article itself.
3. Is his cause of death available?
4. There were a couple of small MoS that I tidied up myself that you may want to take a look at. Most importantly, my pet peeve is starting sentence with "however" (and other similar words like "but") because they can always be rephrased to avoid having them at the beginning of the sentence (with exception in creative writing of course, but I digress). If you do decide to do some expansion at a later time for a possible A class or FA candidacy, that may be something to keep in mind.

It's a bit short but, other than concerns about the later life section that I mentioned, that's not a problem at all, as GA was specifically designed for shorter articles. If the above concerns can be addressed, I would be happy to promote this article to GA status. Therefore, I am putting the article on hold for a period of up to seven days, after which time it may be failed without further notice. Cheers, CP 23:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I have fixed the botched reference. I've also added some information regarding mob violence during Brown's term. Unfortunately, I have not been able to turn up a cause of death nor any more about his involvement in the Powers case. The likelihood of me finding any additional information in the next few days is slim, as I'll be out of town this weekend and Saturday is generally my "library day." If you feel that the article cannot be passed without expanding this section, I understand, but I hope you will consider passing it as is. Either way, thank you for your very complimentary review. Acdixon ^{(talk • contribs • count)} 16:43, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

No, it would be absolutely silly not to pass it because of that. The fact that you added more information shows that you're committed to improving the article - if you are thinking of bringing this up to A or FA class, I would recommend those channels for further research but, as it stands, I would feel comfortable in passing this as a Good Article, and I shall do so right now! Congratulations, and thank you for your hard work! Cheers, CP 16:56, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

move

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The result of the move request was: move to John Y. Brown (politician, born 1835). Per WP:NCPDAB a comma is needed. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 03:05, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

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John Y. Brown (1835–1904) → John Y. Brown (politician born 1835) – Easily a more recognizable disambiguator - generally the stuff in the title is a last resort in case there's no other way to DAB. Beerest 2 talk 16:39, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose while the suggested title should exist as a redirect, in general, biographies in the real world use lifetime as the disambiguator, so I don't see why Wikipedia should use a novel method when a widely used one is out there in the wilds of the real world. -- 65.94.78.9 (talk) 21:15, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

• As what BDD (talk · contribs) said at Talk:Joseph Smith (preacher), year is only a last resort. Also DAB has to be recognizable too. Beerest 2 talk 23:25, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

• Comment we can't use John Y. Brown or John Young Brown (politician) or John Y. Brown (politician) or John Young Brown (U.S. politician) or John Y. Brown (U.S. politician) or John Young Brown (U.S.) or John Y. Brown (U.S.) or John Young Brown (Kentucky) or John Y. Brown (Kentucky) or John Young Brown (Kentucky politician) or John Y. Brown (Kentucky politician) because all four are, so these should exist as redirects to the disambiguation page John Young Brown. -- 65.94.78.9 (talk) 21:15, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
• Support Yes, it looks like we'll have to resort to some date-based disambiguation, but the proposed form is definitely more descriptive. --BDD (talk) 23:32, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.