Talk:John Wick/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Film installment summaries

This page's sub-sections of film titles need brief plot summaries, as is done with other similar pages. Otherwise it looks extremely incomplete.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 00:13, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 17 April 2018

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The result of the move request was: Move as proposed. There is no opposition to this move. Another suggested option, moving to John Wick with the first film moving to John Wick: Chapter 1, would require a discussion incorporating that article, as it's a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC issue. Cúchullain ^t/c 14:43, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

John Wick (film series) → John Wick (franchise) – This has now expanded past just films, with a comic book, video game, spin-off film and spin-off TV show, so should be moved from "film series" to "franchise". Two entries, "Ballerina" and "The Continental" are not focused on Wick, so "franchise" is a better fit for those. -- 70.51.203.56 (talk) 04:46, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Support - seems clear cut. Argento Surfer (talk) 11:53, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
Support alternative move Moving this page to John Wick and moving the first film to John Wick: Chapter 1. The 2nd movie grossed far more worldwide and was rated higher than the original, it's hard to call the first one more important. Since they both have subtitles calling them "Chapter 1" and "Chapter 2" it seems like the perfect WP:CONSISTENT solution._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 06:36, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree to this change, there seems to be more incarnations besides the films. Zucat (talk) 17:20, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

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Requested move 2 May 2018

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The result of the move request was: consensus to move the pages at this time, per the discussion below; the film has been moved to John Wick (film). Please help correct links that may be directed to the wrong article as a result of these moves. Dekimasuよ! 09:28, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

John Wick (franchise) → John Wick
John Wick → John Wick: Chapter 1

– Franchise is the primary topic, as both films are equally notable. Also for WP:CONSISTENCY with John Wick: Chapter 2. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 13:39, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Support the first. It seems like an okay WP:CONCEPTDAB. However, I would prefer John Wick (film) over John Wick: Chapter 1. I really don't see any evidence that the retroactive subtitle is the common name. Nohomersryan (talk) 19:06, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- Per WP:SUBTITLE, subtitle is preferable over parenthetical dab, even if it's not the common name._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 21:31, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
  - Yes, if it's a reasonably common usage a subtitle can be used. But in this case, it's fairly scarcely used and was not even originally the film's title at release. I would lean towards (film) in this case. Nohomersryan (talk) 21:58, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Support first, alternate move John Wick → John Wick (film) - I can't find any general acceptance of the "Chapter 1" titling of the first film, even the official website doesn't use that as the name of it. -- Netoholic @ 20:22, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Oppose: Just don't see the point. --182.184.67.198 (talk) 03:56, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
Support first, support alternate proposal for second. The title of the film is John Wick, not John Wick: Chapter 1. The title of the franchise is also John Wick. I also think that John Wick (2014 film) would be a good alternate title, as that seems very clear that it refers to the first film, not the second. - - mathmitch7 ^{(talk/contribs)} 22:29, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
Support Netoholic's proposal. Even I was not aware that the first John Wick movie is also commonly referred to as John Wick: Chapter 1. Patience, Slightlymad (talk) 12:10, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

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No external links section?

Any reason for this? --— Hucz ^{(talk · contribs)} 06:20, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Does this page really even need to exist?

Just an open question. Perhaps someone can embark on improving the article....by deleting it. Alialiac (talk) 01:07, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Alialiac You haven't stated why you think it should be deleted. If you feel there is good reason to delete this article, the instructions are at Wikipedia:Deletion policy. I do not see a case for speedy deletion. Given the development of the article, I would personally challenge a prod (I believe discussion would be needed). This leaves you with WP:AFD. - SummerPhD^v2.0 01:45, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

The character / The universe

Someone should add

a brief character synopsis for John Wick
a brief overview of the fictional universe

In two tight sections -- 70.51.201.106 (talk) 06:54, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Please feel free to do so. Debresser (talk) 17:29, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Ruby Rose

Hello, Ruby Rose will be not in Parabellum on board. Please make a correction. Vladulienka0501 (talk) 17:50, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Redundant at more poins and uncomplete videogame voices revision 896339471 by 2A01:388:289:150:0:0:1:54 (talk)

that page is redundant at follow points

films Table / crew table

other madia / in other media

and voice video game is uncomplete. User:2A01:388:289:150:0:0:1:54 is a "child"

--87.12.195.222 (talk) 21:01, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

What's with all the "may" & "might"s in the opening paragraph?!

"John Wick might be an Ameridian media franchise that may have been created by Derek Kolstad, which consists of action thriller films written by Kolstad and directed by Chad Stahelski. The first film also may have included David Leitch as an uncredited co-director" --Mando Salama (talk) 02:31, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

@Mandosalama: It's vandalism. See this. You are always welcome to revert vandalism. If you click "View history" at the top of the article you can click through the article's history to find problematic edits and then undo them. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:54, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Adam Whitten

No one named Adam Whitten is listed on the IMDB page for the films nor do any of the remaining un-deleted 514 comments on the cited webpage contain the text "Adam Whitten" as of 00:56, Friday, November 22, 2024 (UTC). As child trafficking is a serious offence, can anyone verify this statement as valid with any other sources to corroborate the statement.

Lazyusername750 (talk) 02:09, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

@Lazyusername750: Go ahead and delete it. That is obviously fake. View the history and try to make sure you get all of the vandalism out from whatever edit added it. -2pou (talk) 02:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Title

Why is this article only titled "John Wick", without the usual "(franchise)" indicator? Seeing as this article includes other installments (i.e. the spin-off, the inclusion of potential crossover movies, the prequel series, and other media) - wouldn't it be a more specific option/indicator to change to title to John Wick (franchise) so that the general reader understands that this article is about the franchise as a whole? I don't understand its current name. Please explain what the argument is to exclude the indicator.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 04:28, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

This practice isn't exactly unheard of, see Star Wars, Fast & Furious, Indiana Jones, etc. As long as there's a hatnote with links to the other articles, this should be fine. InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:05, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

@DisneyMetalhead: See WP:NCFILM#Media franchise. What would you have expected to be at the base John Wick title with no disambiguation? The first film or the character? I think the general term mostly refers to the entire franchise more often than either of those pages at this point, but that’s just me. (@InfiniteNexus: I think your reply got cut off there.) -2pou (talk) 05:32, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

@2pou: and @InfiniteNexus: just because the format has been used before, doesn't make it the best option. The average reader isn't going to assume that they need to search "John Wick" for a film franchise. Furthermore, given the fact that the installments have varying titles (i.e.: Chapter 2/Chapter 3 - Parabellum/etc, Ballerina, and The Continental) it is also unclear as to why the title of this article is left at simply "John Wick".--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 05:39, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

No happy ending in sight

“John may survive all this s—, but at the end of it, there’s no happy ending. He’s got nowhere to go,” Stahelski said. “Honestly, I challenge you right now, here’s a question to you: How do you f—— want me to end it? Do you think he’s going to ride off into the f—— sunset?” He continued, “He’s killed 300 f—— people and he’s just going to [walk away], everything’s OK? He’s just going to fall in love with a love interest?”[1]

Seems worth using in one of the articles. 2601:648:8200:990:0:0:0:756C (talk) 22:55, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Orphaned references in John Wick

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of John Wick's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Huston":

From Ballerina (2024 film): Kit, Borys (November 21, 2022). "Anjelica Huston Joins Ana de Armas in Lionsgate's John Wick Spinoff Ballerina (Exclusive)". The Hollywood Reporter. Archived from the original on December 5, 2022. Retrieved December 8, 2022.
From Anjelica Huston: Huston, Anjelica (2014). Watch Me. Scribner. p. 216. ISBN 9781476760346.

Reference named "Reeves":

From John Wick: Chapter 3 – Parabellum: Maggie, Lovitt (November 8, 2022). "Keanu Reeves Returns as John Wick in 'Ballerina' Spinoff [Exclusive]". Collider. Retrieved November 8, 2022.
From Ballerina (2024 film): Maggie, Lovitt (November 8, 2022). "Keanu Reeves Returns as John Wick in Ballerina Spinoff [Exclusive]". Collider. Archived from the original on March 21, 2023. Retrieved November 8, 2022.

Reference named "Shane":

From John Wick: Chapter 3 – Parabellum: Borys, Kit (November 8, 2022). "Ian McShane Joins Ana de Armas in Lionsgate's 'John Wick' Spinoff 'Ballerina' (Exclusive)". The Hollywood Reporter. Retrieved November 8, 2022.
From Ballerina (2024 film): Borys, Kit (November 8, 2022). "Ian McShane Joins Ana de Armas in Lionsgate's John Wick Spinoff Ballerina (Exclusive)". The Hollywood Reporter. Archived from the original on November 8, 2022. Retrieved November 8, 2022.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. Feel free to remove this comment after fixing the refs. AnomieBOT ⚡ 09:30, 10 June 2023 (UTC)