Talk:John V. Tunney

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lolwut?

What is this crap?

"However, in both 1980 and 1983, Tunney served as a liaison between Ted Kennedy and the KGB during two trips to Moscow. In both cases, Tunney relayed to the Communist leadership that Kennedy felt that the Soviets were being misunderstood and were being unfairly cast in a negative light by President Carter in 1980 and President Reagan in 1983, and that Soviet leadership needed to take a more active role in convincing the American public that they were a benign force for peace in the world (Kennedy volunteered to assist the Soviets in this effort)."

Ted Kennedy and John Tunney KGB assets? Bwahahahahahaha! Okay, until someone produces a credible source for this John Birch Society/World Net Daily type conspiracy theory, I'm deleting this.

Senator Tick Tock

It was not just that Senator Hayakawa focused on Senator Tunney's vacations, it was the way it was done. Senator S.I. Hayakawa's, "Senator Tick Tock Commercial," against Senator John V. Tunney was an interesting piece of propaganda. The commercial showed cuckoo clock and said, "Senator Tick Tock," and then showed one of Senator's skiing vacations. I am unable to find mention of the commercial anywhere on the Internet, though, it really helped to defeat Senator Tunney.Easeltine (talk) 12:38, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Career post-Senate

He was only 43 when he left the Senate. He must have some other career? Rmhermen (talk) 23:32, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tunney allegedly acting as go-between for Ted Kennedy and the KGB

Tunney and Kennedy's office denied the allegations which are based solely on a memo written by the head of the KGB Viktor Chebrikov, hardly a reliable source.

Pavel Stroilov's book isn't a reliable source [1]. He claims to have stolen the files from the archives of the Gorbachev Foundation. The book was reviewed by Sergey Radchenko, currently Professor of International Relations, Cardiff University, who called it a disaster "full of nonsense, some of it derived from far-fetched interpretations of Stroilov’s source material and some borrowed from popular conspiracy theories."[2]

The two cited paragraphs in Stroilov's book:

In 1980, Kennedy again contacted Moscow through Tunney and Egon Bahr, West Germany's top Social Democrat and KGB's secret collaborator, to coordinate plans for undermining President Carter's tough stance over the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.(Endnote cannot be viewed in online preview).

In 1983, Tunney conveyed another secret message from Kennedy to the KGB. Now the Senator proposed to work together "in the interests of world peace", against "the militaristic policies of Ronald Reagan." However, the then Soviet leader Andropov declined the offer.(No endnote)

West Germany's top Social Democrat: Bahr was one of 11 members of the party's leadership, and not the one in the most powerful position. KGB's secret collaborator - rumors spread by right-wing opponents of "Ostpolitik" (i.e., German efforts to end the Cold War or at least de-escalate the tensions). Bahr was staunchly anti-communist, and he had Kissinger's blessings for his first visit to Moscow after he became Willi Brandt's State Secretary in the Federal Chancellery in 1969; the East Germans were not amused and unsuccessfully tried to intervene. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 16:29, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This trash section should be deleted. It looks as if it has been deleted in the past. It is unreliable, the subject of one highly suspect and unreliable source, and possibly an attempt to normalize the current Administration's strange relationship with Russia.

sterngard You're right: A paragraph mentioning a 1983 visit to Moscow by Tunney was added and deleted in 2014. I can’t think of any incident or event that might have inspired an IP address to add the paragraph in 2014, citing the 2009 Forbes article and the 1983 KGB memo posted on Free Republic in 2006. In 2015, Limbaugh and Fox News’ Megyn Kelly dredged it up in connection with Republican attempts to derail the nuclear deal with Iran; in 2017, it was Fox News again (Greg Gutfeld) defending the Trump Tower meeting between Trump Jr., Veselnitskaya and others with some "but-the-Democrats-what-aboutism". I'll remove the mention of 1980 and Carter since that seems to have been based on one unreliable source, i.e., Stroilov’s book. I'm looking for more reliable information on the events at the time; there seems to have been a lot of "back channel" activity at the time in an effort to keep the Cold War from heating up again. I still think we should keep the section because the conspiracy theory would just be reinserted in one way or another. Space4Time3Continuum2x (talk) 17:11, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The trash is still in there. Unless Wikipedia is to become the National Enquirer it should be removed. I plan to remove it now. If it comes back, get the IP address of the person who edits it and I bet we'll find someone with an axe to bury (excuse the mixed metaphor). WHen I wrote this I was not signed in. I am now. I am sterngard.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C50:507F:F2D5:99F:EF88:8F83:1AEF (talk) 03:39, 5 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect added from The Changing Dream

I WP:BLANKANDREDIRECTed the article for The Changing Dream. There was no content to merge, but I added a ref to this article about the book and a citation with the 1st edition ISBN. Suriname0 (talk) 20:51, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Originally, Tunney's parents wanted him to become a priest, which was a common desire for immigrant Irish parents at the time"

Neither of John V. Tunney's parents were Irish immigrants. His father, boxing champion Gene Tunney, was the son of Irish immigrants, but was himself born in New York City. His mother, Polly Lauder Tunney, doesn't seem to have been Irish, let alone an immigrant, being the granddaughter of a Scottish immigrant, George Lauder (industrialist).

This sentence is definitely wrong in its particulars, which makes me question whether it's even right in its implication that Gene Tunney and Polly Lauder Tunney wanted John V. to become a priest. Mosi Nuru (talk) 03:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]