Talk:John Scott (writer)

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Shouldn't there be a part about how he died? [[User:Speedboy Salesman|Speedboy Sal John Scott died of a heart attack in chicago. his daughter elena lives in new york. his grandson nick lives in newyork and his greatgrandchild bridgett lives in palm beach florida. they are a very tight family.I was married to nick.

There aren't many sources for John Scott that I could find other than his book Behind the Urals and anything John Earl Haynes has arranged about the Venona Project. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough. 2/14/2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Halfgiraffe (talk • contribs) 22:16, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in John Scott (writer)

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Reference named "Scott_1989":

From Trade unions in the Soviet Union: Scott 1989.
From Magnitogorsk Iron and Steel Works: Scott, John (1989) [1942], Kotkin, Stephen (ed.), Behind the Urals: An American Worker in Russia's City of Steel, Indiana University Press, ISBN 978-0253205360.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 20:25, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Thank you, bot. Karmanatory (talk) 21:48, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Editorialising

The wiki editor is constantly making comments while retelling Scott's work, but these comments are his own and not sourced to anybody else, so they violate WP:NOR and WP:NPOV. And bringing in Manya Gordon to dismiss what Scott says is a textbook example of original synthesis.--95.42.19.211 (talk) 02:17, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hogwash, on so many levels. First of all, nothing in the article is unfaithful to Scott's work, and many painstaking inline citations show the thread of the connections between thoughts. The transitions show how the otherwise-would-be-randomly-disconnected sentences and paragraphs relate to each other. That's called basic composition, if you didn't know. Second, an encyclopedia doesn't "retell" the cited work, it summarizes highlights of it. That's how encyclopedia articles work; you'll need to propose a new definition of encyclopedia articles elsewhere, achieve consensus on that novelty, then come back here, if you want to change that. Third, which of the dozens of editors in the article's history is "the" one and only "wiki editor" that you imagine wrote the whole article on "his" own? Wikipedia articles are written collaboratively, as this one was. Fourth, contextualizing Gordon's and Scott's data is a textbook example of showing antinomy in the Kantian sense of that word: apparent contradiction between valid conclusions, with the false superficial appearance of contradiction duly explained. Such logical analysis is important because it shows how the question of "which one of the two observers was correct or wrong" is itself wrong: they were both correct about the aspects of the whole that they emphasized, without so much mentioning the aspects that the other emphasized. That's not unusual, nor wrong. Whew. I'm out of breath refuting how many kinds of wrong that comment was. Karmanatory (talk) 05:30, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]