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The theory about olday being influenced by "violent revolutionary mentors" (whatever that should be), i deleted... Also i changed citizen actions to workers actions, cause: the revolt was by workers and his activity consisted in looting. Just to correct the biggest misstatements... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:2D7A:7200:898D:379D:F86:223 (talk) 04:53, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia relies on reliable, secondary sources as its source for credibility. Please do not use archival sources to make original claims. Instead paraphrase sources that have already been through an editorial vetting process, such as magazine or book publishing or peer review. czar03:11, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed in principle. However, the UK National Archive resource used here has been selectively vetted prior to its authorised publication. Its value is not in the "original research" so much as in its verification and support for basic facts covered sometimes contentiously in more subjective sources. Most of the official archival files on this subject have not been published. A problem with this type of biography (i.e., a person living a secret, anarchistic life during a repressive era) is that sources for full revelation are very hard to find and interpret. It's early days here and I look for some patience and tolerance in gradually getting it all right. Bjenks (talk) 10:53, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
But that's the point—we don't publish those "basic facts" unless they appear in a published, secondary source if not for credibility than as a sign of their importance. If the topic has major content area holes, that's more a sign that the subject has yet to be sufficiently covered such that we can write an article that does the subject justice. It doesn't mean we should patch those holes with primary archival sources. (not watching, please {{ping}}) czar03:01, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The categorisation of John Olday as "Australian" is very misleading owing to the fact that he developed his anarchism and artistic expression in Europe (principally Germany) and was a British subject by birth. Yes, he spent many productive years in Australia before choosing to return to the UK, where he died. @KingSkyLord, please fully justify your category change since I am considering reverting it or editing to include both European and Australian categories. Bjenks (talk) 00:07, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bjenks: To be honest, the only reason I did that was because all of the other categories said he was Australian and he lived most of his life there technically. If you want to add other categories, I would recommend adding the German (and British and French) anarchists categories. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 04:28, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Having studied relevant categories, not finding anything like "international anarchists", I have to take the clumsy step of adding German and British to Australian. (French is not so appropriate.) It is then necessary to do the same with his cartoonist categories (and, I think, leave out 'caricaturist'). I have seen a large number of his Australian paintings but have no evidence for any British or European paintings, so will leave those categories out until a reliable source is produced. Bjenks (talk) 15:25, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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