Talk:John Nunziata

Clean up

The article has some NPOV and BLP issues but I think they can be fixed without a tag. Mr.Grantevans2 (talk) 15:43, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Why don't you iterate you're problems with the article. I don't see any myself. For all Nunziata's controversy the article is remarkably bland. EncyclopediaUpdaticus (talk) 18:04, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Ok, there didn't seem to be anyone around to discuss this with but you make a good point. I just refreshed myself a few days ago on Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons and became reminded of how these articles need to be treated with "particular care" ,especially in regards to Reliable Sources being cited for all content. I think you'll agree that wasn't the case before 2 days ago and I see that you've been working as well to add sources. I hope you don't mind that I have removed the section on re-entering federal politics because I can not find a source for that and Wikipedia:Citing sources states clearly "...without exception, and in particular to information about living persons: unsourced material about living persons must be removed immediately." In any event, I think we have already improved the article quite a bit in just 2 days. Mr.Grantevans2 (talk) 23:55, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Beech Hall Seniors Apartments

I have removed this content again: [1]. The text I removed is unduly promotional and does not present a neutral point of view; NPOV is required. If that was the only problem with the text it could be cleaned up, however in researching this I was unable to find any references at all documenting his involvement in the incident, other than the video provided in an incorrectly-formatted external link. I have concerns about the video also being unduly promotional and non-neutral, and potentially a copyright violation, and have been unable to verify any of the content in independent sources. There are a few (and I mean a few) sources which talk about the residents' battle with the city 30 years ago, but none mention John Nunziata at all (one mentions his sister Frances, in passing). I realize that the length of time that has passed since this happened means it may be harder to locate sources, but that does not relieve editors of the responsibility to provide them, and if John's involvement was truly notable, sources will be available. Ivanvector (talk) 03:51, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

I was intrigued by this story and decided to watch the documentary. Available on YouTube. The Battle of Beech Hall, about 28 minutes long. Interesting late 1970s citizen battle against city hall. According to the documentary, in early 1979, decision to bulldoze Beech Hall was an in-camera decision by York Council. Nunziata was only alderman to vote against it. He leaked story to Toronto Star which was the first time residents heard about decision. There is an initial interview with Nunziata where he gives his opinion on the original decision and the secrecy surrounding it. Nunziata gets no other mention although he is seen once or twice more in the background during the documentary. I think this is definitely worth a mention on Nunziata's article but more research is needed to determine whether his participation was more substantial. EncyclopediaUpdaticus (talk) 14:09, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting on the video. Do you think the copyright status of the video is ok to use as a reference here? We have to be careful about YouTube videos. From your review, maybe we can use this text?

Nunziata started his political career in 1978 when he was elected an alderman in the former borough of York at age 23 and while still attending law school. In 1979, Nunziata was the only alderman to vote against closing of the Beech Hall Seniors' Apartments. He learned that the residents had not been informed that they were to be evicted, and leaked the story to the Toronto Star. He was instrumental in converting the apartments to Canada's first senior citizens' housing co-op.^[1] He ran for mayor of Toronto in the 2003 election ...

My prose might need work; it usually does. Ivanvector (talk) 20:48, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Based on the video evidence alone I don't believe he was instrumental. Rather say, "Nunziata was responsible for getting the residents to organize and fight for their rights. Eventually the residents, with the help of the Co-op Housing Foundation of Canada, managed to convert the rental apartments into Toronto's first housing co-op."

Nunziata started his political career in 1978 when he was elected an alderman in the former borough of York at age 23 and while still attending law school. In 1979, Nunziata was the only alderman to vote against closing of the Beech Hall Seniors' Apartments. He learned that the residents had not been informed that they were to be evicted, and leaked the story to the Toronto Star. He was responsible for getting the residents to organize and fight for their rights. Eventually the residents, with the help of the Co-op Housing Foundation of Canada, managed to convert the rental apartments into Toronto's first housing co-op. He ran for mayor of Toronto in the 2003 election ...

Better? Seems alright to me. Ivanvector (talk) 15:13, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

I went ahead and added the text. I also added results for the 2003 election and restored some previously deleted content about his court case. EncyclopediaUpdaticus (talk) 16:55, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

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