Talk:John Hughes (theologian)

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Removing birthdate and deathdate in ledes

An IP editor 207.161.86.162 is obsessed with removing dates from the LEDE and only wants year.

Using IP 142.161.83.66, the same editor expanded this article last July (very helpful) but removed the dates from the lede: [1]

When I added them back recently, IP 207.161.86.162 reverted me with messages: (Undid revision 938923910 by Wikimandia (talk) – No reason to repeat the date there (MOS:BIOLEAD)). and As noted in the cited guideline, "the vital year range (in brackets after the person's full name) may be sufficient to provide context"

Note, this is same message original IP 142.161.83.66 used last October after removing and again reverting another article about yet another Anglican clergyman Charles Gore: Undid revision 923807106 by Jkaharper (talk) – As noted by MOS:BIOLEAD, "if [the specific dates of birth and death] are also mentioned in the body, the vital year range (in brackets after the person's full name) may be sufficient to provide context." If you disagree, please observe WP:BRD and take the matter to the talk page.

And yet again last October in yet yet another Anglican clergyman bio, J. I. Packer, IP 142.161.83.66 reverted with message: As noted in MOS:LEADBIO, a vital year range may provide sufficient context. If you disagree, please observe WP:BRD.

Edit wars ensued and @Jkaharper: successfully restored the dates in both Charles Gore and J. I. Packer, with note to IP editor, Sufficiency and completeness are different things. It is standard to include the FULL DOB in a lede. If you disagree with this, take it to the talk page.

I'm taking this to the talk page because an edit war is now happening on this page. I'm guessing there are other IPs and other accounts involved but I just started looking. Regardless, there was no reason to remove them from the lede as they are very helpful and they are unnecessary to repeat in the text of fairly short article when they are also in the infobox. There is nothing particularly special about these days that they have to be repeated in the text. The person was born, the person was killed, very sad, we already knows the dates. And if you really want them repeated in the text, then repeat them, but don't remove from lede when this is the common style. —Мандичка^YO 😜 05:43, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Whilst I support constructive disagreement, this editor is a pure antagonist who won't stop, even if the majority of other editors and Wiki's own customs and procedures are stacked against him. If he chooses to delete more information from articles and an edit war reoccurs, we should just opt to have the IP address blocked. Thanks --Jkaharper (talk) 09:46, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]