Talk:John Harvey Rainier

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A fact from John Harvey Rainier appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 11 March 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that John Harvey Rainier had the distinction of commanding troops from six different countries in action?

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 03:09, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that John Harvey Rainier had the distinction of commanding troops from six different countries in action? Source: Mason, Herbert B., ed. (1908). Encyclopaedia of Ships and Shipping. London: The Shipping Encyclopaedia Limited. p. 521.

Created by Atchom (talk). Self-nominated at 01:24, 20 February 2022 (UTC).[reply]

The article is new enough, long enough, has no copyright issues and is neutral. I do, however, have a problem with the sourcing. In several places, a site called The Dreadnought Project is cited. On inspection, this website has a wiki approach not unlike our own, which makes it unsuitable as a source for Wikipedia articles. I will proceed with this review, but I won't approve it unless the content from this source is removed or the source replaced. Coming to the hook: it's short enough, has an interesting fact and appears in the article with a citation to an online source (AGF, of course). I have will remove the 'Admiral', though, since we don't usual include such titles (see MOS:CREDENTIAL). QPQ is not required because the nominator has submitted only on DYK hook before. In summary: please take another look at the content sourced from the Dreadnought Project. The nomination will be approved once that's done. (It would also be great if you could add a source to the parts that don't currently have inline citations.) Best, Modussiccandi (talk) 21:12, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for the review. I have removed references to the Dreadnought Project, although it is not an open wiki and is edited by serious historians (there is a discussion ongoing at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard about the site but I have replaced the references to the website for now in order to allow this DYK review to proceed for now). I have however restored the "Admiral" in the lede: this is because it is not a credential but an honorific, as longstanding British usage is for officers above a certain rank to retain the title after retirement as an honorific. Captain Tom Moore is a famous recent UK example, though he had not served in the armed forces since WWII, he is always referred to as Captain. In this case, all the obituaries and sources refer to him as "Admiral", so it meets MOS:HON. Atchom (talk) 17:29, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for acting on my comments so swiftly. I will now let the nomination pass. Best, Modussiccandi (talk) 18:07, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And thank you for the prompt review! Atchom (talk) 20:36, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]