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Insertion of material re "Nugent-Grenville controversy"

This and similar content has now been debated on various occasions, so my apologies for using bold letters but I'm out of ideas on how to get you to listen.

(a) Wikipedia clearly states "No original research'. That point has been made over and over and over again. This alleged controversy does not appear in (a) his ODNB entry; (b) his History of Parliament entry; or (c) any of the other Sources I've looked at.

(b) I did you the courtesy of reading what you wrote; it says Edward Clough doesn't exist and Nugent made him up. Great. Since the article does not contain a single one of the claims made by Nugent you describe as inaccurate, what is its relevance here? ie in an article on John Hampden? And I've referenced Nugent's biography elsewhere in the article ("inaccurate" and "hagiographic" pretty much covers it).

(c) It is relevant to Nugent's article, where I think you've included it (I'm not entirely sure because its hard to tell) I've made no attempt to remove or "censor" it.

(d) You've accused me of censorship and asked 'the administrators' to 'reinstate your content' on numerous occasions; they haven't. What does that tell you?

I strongly suggest you now take this to arbitration; if they agree 'this content is relevant to this article, then posterity will thank you. if they don't, then maybe you should reconsider your approach. Robinvp11 (talk) 19:41, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mother

"John Hampden was born around June 1595, probably in London, eldest son of William Hampden (1570-1597), and Elizabeth Cromwell (1574-1664)."

According to the article about her father, she was born around 1562. --INS Pirat (talk) 23:20, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pym

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

Hampden is described as being a "less complex figure than Cromwell or Pym" due to his early death, and yet Pym's death was the same year as Hampden's. 82.20.109.75 (talk) 13:21, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The point here is not the date of death but that Pym has tended to be seen as a clever, if slightly unscrupulous, politician, while Cromwell was tainted by the execution of Charles I, his record in Ireland etc. Because Hampden died in battle in 1643, he escaped involvement in the political infighting and compromises that took place later in the war, hence it is much easier to view him as a simple patriot. I'll look at the wording and see if I can make it clearer. Robinvp11 (talk) 17:45, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]