Talk:John Fetterman

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the John Fetterman article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1: 365 days

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

This page is about a politician who is running for office or has recently run for office, is in office and campaigning for re-election, or is involved in some current political conflict or controversy. For that reason, this article is at increased risk of biased editing, talk-page trolling, and simple vandalism.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Biography: Politics and Government

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by the politics and government work group (assessed as Low-importance).

Pennsylvania High‑importance

	Pennsylvania portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Pennsylvania, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Pennsylvania on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PennsylvaniaWikipedia:WikiProject PennsylvaniaTemplate:WikiProject PennsylvaniaPennsylvania articles
High	This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

Politics: American Mid‑importance

	Politics portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Politics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of politics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.PoliticsWikipedia:WikiProject PoliticsTemplate:WikiProject Politicspolitics articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by American politics task force (assessed as Low-importance).

U.S. Congress Mid‑importance

	United States portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject U.S. Congress, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the United States Congress on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.U.S. CongressWikipedia:WikiProject U.S. CongressTemplate:WikiProject U.S. CongressU.S. Congress articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is about one (or many) person(s).

This article has been viewed enough times in a single week to appear in the Top 25 Report. The week in which this happened:

November 6 to 12, 2022

This article is written in American English, which has its own spelling conventions (color, defense, traveled) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus.

Section sizes

Section size for John Fetterman (47 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	9,056	9,056
Early life and education	8,585	8,585
Mayor of Braddock (2006–2019)	130	26,387
Elections	3,902	3,902
Tenure	13,549	22,355
Shotgun incident	4,835	4,835
Media coverage and criticism	3,971	3,971
Lieutenant Governor of Pennsylvania (2019–2023)	54	15,500
Elections	17	4,959
2018	4,942	4,942
Tenure	4,023	10,487
Board of Pardons	1,804	1,804
Donald Trump	4,660	4,660
U.S. Senate (2023–present)	36	32,414
Elections	19	24,310
2016	6,718	6,718
2022	2,975	17,573
Democratic primary	3,095	3,095
General election	11,503	11,503
Tenure	6,035	6,035
Committee assignments	2,033	2,033
Political positions	2,246	29,662
Abortion	1,336	1,336
Congressional stock ownership	503	503
Criminal justice reform	3,563	3,563
Environmental issues	2,139	2,139
Filibuster	1,232	1,232
Foreign policy	775	8,530
Israel	4,658	4,658
China	998	998
Ukraine	665	665
NATO	1,434	1,434
Gun policy	426	426
Healthcare	1,401	1,401
Immigration	1,883	1,883
Lab-grown meat	791	791
Marijuana	1,481	1,481
Minimum wage	617	617
Policing	2,135	2,135
Taxation	964	964
Unions	415	415
Personal life	5,392	19,823
Health	13,802	13,802
Film	629	629
Electoral history	15,210	15,210
References	30	30
External links	3,686	3,686
Total	160,353	160,353

A fact from John Fetterman appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 27 April 2009 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that John Fetterman, the mayor of Braddock, Pennsylvania, lives in a warehouse he purchased for US$2,000?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2009/April.

Wikipedia

Levi Fetterman was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 16 August 2022 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into John Fetterman. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

Faculae claims

Why are they considered to be false claims when the same is not said about Hillary’s claims of fraud in 2016 or Stacey Abrams OPINION that the election was stolen from them. Unproven should be the claim not false which relies on facts not opinions. 107.116.83.15 (talk) 22:22, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Mueller report, released in 2019, showed that Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election occurred "in sweeping and systematic fashion". This is official documentation, showing fraud objectively did occur in 2016.

No such evidence exists to claim that there was widespread fraud in 2020 or 2022. 213.105.99.162 (talk) 10:10, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Did you read the Mueller report? That's not at all what it said. 69.244.226.209 (talk) 00:46, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't read the report. "The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion," Mueller wrote in the 448-page document, which lays out new details about a Kremlin-backed plot that compromised Democrats’ computer networks and targeted state and local election offices." – Muboshgu (talk) 00:58, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

False claims is the title Jogershok (talk) 22:32, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Should Fetterman Be Described as a Progressive?

The intro specifically says that he is commonly referred to as a progressive but he has rejected this term in multiple interviews recently.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/-not-progressive-fetterman-breaks-left-israel-immigration-rcna129747

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/21/us/politics/john-fetterman-progressive-israel.html 68.46.25.44 (talk) 19:38, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the solution is to add a section called "Break from Progressivism" or something like that. He definitely identified as progressive, but has clearly changed his stance. --Sametinkles (talk) 03:09, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editorial Comments on Senators Health

This article makes the allegation that right wing conspiracy theorists made comments that the Senator was replaced with a body double. I am failing to understand how the commentary that people have on someone's health, or presence or absence, has anything to do with the actual state of the Senator's health.

Someone is reverting this, so I'd like to get a topic going as to why the commentary of political groups about strange propositions has to do with the Senator's health.

I propose that the sentence in the "Health Section" which is "After Fetterman's discharge, right-wing conspiracy theorists spread a false theory that Fetterman had been replaced by a body double." be removed. It could be moved to a different section. This is not a factual, dispositive statement about his health. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steve.A.Dore.4 (talk • contribs) 21:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Steve.A.Dore.4, that someone was me; don't be bashful about pinging an editor you are disagreeing with. No, this article does not "make the allegation"--that allegation is made in a number of highly reliable secondary sources. It seems you are trying to bolster your case by using highly circumlocutious language; I suggest you try to be concise and direct. For instance, there is no "commentary of political groups about strange propositions", but there was a political group (loosely defined) proposing a very strange thing, as is verified by these reliable sources. And what do you mean with "dispositive statement"? Drmies (talk) 21:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree the sentence should be removed, and perhaps moved to the article(s) of whoever (individual, group) is making the false body-double allegation. Yes, this nonsense made the news cycle and yes, it is well-sourced, and yes, it's fun to laugh at. But I don't see how adding it improves Fetterman's biography. In WP:TENYEARS are we really going to include this? BBQboffin^{grill me} 00:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Drmies,

I'm sorry to hear you don't like the way I phrased it. There was no attempt to employ language to increase the persuasiveness of the point.

It seems to me that it should be removed, or added to a different section. It is an editorial statement that doesn't contribute to our understanding about his health.

I'm also sorry to hear that your dissapointed that I didn't ping you. It seems like we have a going dialogue on this subject, so we can get to the bottom of this issue based on the consensus related approach that is one of Wikipedia's core tenants.

Steve Steve.A.Dore.4 (talk) 16:14, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think this sentence undermines the credibility of wikipedia, and is an assault on this article and its legitimacy. This sentence is clearly designed to persuade. It is irrelevant and should be removed. Steve.A.Dore.4 (talk) 16:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2024

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Add to the political positions section his opposition to cruelty-free meat. https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2024/5/8/24151435/john-fetterman-lab-grown-cultivated-meat-ron-desantis-florida-ban 203.211.79.75 (talk) 00:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 10:25, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did. 203.211.79.75 (talk) 11:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a section on lab-grown meat to the article. It's an interesting position taken by the Senator so worth including I think. (I understand that this edit request wasn't formatted correctly and this isn't a commentary on the decline). Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 14:10, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2024

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Akaganhamilton2 (talk) 01:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I want to make an edit about his policy on the Israel-Palestine conflict.

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:32, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2024

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Fetterman will become Pennsylvania's senior senator when Bob Casey Jr. leaves office in 2025 following his defeat in the 2024 United States Senate election in Pennsylvania to David McCormick.

Here is the source needed: https://www.newsfromthestates.com/article/ap-calls-pennsylvanias-us-senate-race-dave-mccormick-bob-casey-refuses-concede-0 5.42.206.146 (talk) 02:23, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]