Talk:John Egerton, 2nd Earl of Bridgewater

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Egerton

John Egerton, 2nd Earl of Bridgewater PC (30 May 1623 – 26 October 1686) was an English nobleman.

He was a son of John Egerton, 1st Earl of Bridgewater and his wife Lady Frances Stanley. His maternal grandparents were Ferdinando Stanley, 5th Earl of Derby and his wife Alice Spencer.

This information is incorrect! The second Earl wasn't the grandson of either Ferdinando or Alice Stanley. He was only related by marriage when his grandfather Sir Thomas Egerton (1540 - 1617) took as his third wife the widow Alice Stanley in Oct 1600.

The second Earl's maternal grandmother was Lady Elizabeth Egerton (nee Ravenscroft) who died in 1588 and is buried alongside Sir Thomas (Lord Ellesmere) and his eldest son, also Sir Thomas, who died in 1599 at the age of 25. The final resting place being St Mary's Church, Dodleston, near Chester.

Sir Thomas and Alice Stanley never had issue.Bernard Dennis MBE (talk) 16:23, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

But Elizabeth Egerton (née Ravenscroft) was his paternal grandmother (the first wife of his paternal grandfather, Thomas Egerton, 1st Viscount Brackley). According to Cracroft's Peerage, Lord Brackley married, as his third wife, Alice, Countess of Derby (née Alice Spencer), the widow of the 5th Earl of Derby; and his second son, John Egerton, 1st Earl of Bridgewater, married Lady Frances Stanley, who was the 5th Earl of Derby's second daughter by the aforementioned Alice (and therefore Lord Bridgewater's stepsister). Do you have a source which says that this is incorrect? Proteus (Talk) 11:57, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't at all look on the ODNB as infallible, but what it says is "Egerton, John, second earl of Bridgewater (1623–1686), politician, was born in June 1623, the third but eldest surviving son of John Egerton, first earl of Bridgewater (1579–1649), politician, and his wife, Frances (1583–1636), second daughter and coheir of Ferdinando Stanley, earl of Derby, and his wife, Alice Spencer." This is clearly in line with what Proteus has to say. Moonraker (talk) 20:27, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]