Talk:John Crist (comedian)

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Sexual misconduct allegations and aftermath

I'm not clear what's been going on with this article, but WP:BLP applies. Please discuss rather than restore content that's disputed, until clear consensus is reached.

I removed two references that may be useful:

Graham, Ruth (2019-11-08). "A Christian Comedian's Alleged Sexual Misconduct Prompts a Reckoning in the Evangelical Press". Slate. ISSN 1091-2339. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
Jones, Sarah (2019-11-11). "What Happens When Me Too Comes for a Prominent Evangelical?". The Cut. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

Judging by two Christianity Today refs (same author), the Charisma News investigation and outcome is a major event in Crist's life. It's unclear that the event is being presented properly. More and better references would be helpful.

I doubt I'll have the time in the near future to look into the editing history, potential references, and general consensus that apply here. - Hipal (talk) 03:25, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The major expansion that I removed is:

Five women spoke to Charisma Magazine, describing incidents including pressuring them for sexual favors in return for giving them show tickets, soliciting sexual images, drunken late night calls, advances on partnered women who'd rejected him, and plying a woman with alcohol before repeatedly groping her. Four of the five women volunteered to go on record, but the magazine chose to withhold their names to prevent harassment. The magazine verified the stories from other witnesses and viewing written communications between Crist and the women who spoke to them. Three women reported Crist's behavior to his book publisher, who they said did not act on the information. Two reported no longer being Christian following their experiences with Crist.^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]
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References

^ ^a ^b Berglund, Taylor. "John Crist Cancels 2019 Tour Dates After Reports of Sexting, Harassment, Manipulation". Charisma News. Retrieved November 7, 2019.
^ Graham, Ruth (2019-11-08). "A Christian Comedian's Alleged Sexual Misconduct Prompts a Reckoning in the Evangelical Press". Slate. ISSN 1091-2339. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
^ ^a ^b France, Lisa Respers (2019-11-07). "Christian Comedian John Crist apologizes after sexual misconduct allegations". CNN. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
^ Jones, Sarah (2019-11-11). "What Happens When Me Too Comes for a Prominent Evangelical?". The Cut. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

I'd prefer something like:

Five women spoke to Charisma Magazine, describing incidents including pressuring them for sexual favors in return for giving them show tickets, soliciting sexual images, drunken late night calls, advances on partnered women who'd rejected him, and plying a woman with alcohol before repeatedly groping her. ~~Four of the five women volunteered to go on record, but the magazine chose to withhold their names to prevent harassment.~~ The magazine verified the stories from other witnesses and viewing written communications between Crist and the women who spoke to them. Three women reported Crist's behavior to his book publisher, who they said did not act on the information. ~~Two reported no longer being Christian following their experiences with Crist.~~

The first sentence seems lengthy, and might be better as two sentences instead.

Are there potential refs to fill in what happened subsequently? --Hipal (talk) 18:57, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

People has a few articles about him that might be useful. Otherwise, I'm finding little suitable for a BLP, though I don't recognize the Christian publications that come up in my searches. --Hipal (talk) 19:26, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[auto-1] Berglund, Taylor. "John Crist Cancels 2019 Tour Dates After Reports of Sexting, Harassment, Manipulation". Charisma News. Retrieved November 7, 2019.

[2] Graham, Ruth (2019-11-08). "A Christian Comedian's Alleged Sexual Misconduct Prompts a Reckoning in the Evangelical Press". Slate. ISSN 1091-2339. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

[:2-3] France, Lisa Respers (2019-11-07). "Christian Comedian John Crist apologizes after sexual misconduct allegations". CNN. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

[4] Jones, Sarah (2019-11-11). "What Happens When Me Too Comes for a Prominent Evangelical?". The Cut. Retrieved 2024-01-27.

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