Talk:John Bauer (illustrator)/GA1
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Reviewer: CaroleHenson (talk · contribs) 02:04, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
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1. Well-written: | ||
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. | ||
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | ||
2. Verifiable with no original research: | ||
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | ||
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | Material is cited, generally with foreign language sources. Good faith assumption that sources cover the cited content. Citations to reliable sources, where required. | |
2c. it contains no original research. | ||
3. Broad in its coverage: | ||
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | ||
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | ||
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | ||
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | ||
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | Updated PD tags for several images from {{PD-Art}}, which creates an error message, to the correct {{PD-Sweden-photo}} | |
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. | Captions of works by Bauer were updated | |
7. Overall assessment. | The expansion and improvement of the article has been a good collaborative effort, let by W.carter and with input, direction and copyediting by Krenakarore, Onel5969, Alrich44, Siawase, Philg88, EditorInTheRye, Demiurge1000 and Mr Stephen. Great job!
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Questions related to review
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I have a couple of questions to run by you as I'm working on the article:
Thanks!--CaroleHenson (talk) 03:14, 31 August 2014 (UTC) Hello CaroleHenson, thank you for staring this review so soon after the GAN. :)
You are very kind, but the article would not be in such good shape if it were not for the pruning and excellent copy editing done by Onel5969. Some comments:
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Related to the GA review I guess, I question if it really is an improvement to this article to exclude much of his most recognized works. From reading the earlier discussions, I think the rationale was that these images are included in the Among Gnomes and Trolls article instead, but shouldn't the quality of each article be determined separately? I think it would be an improvement to this article to include his most iconic works in the gallery here (maybe in conjuncture with the prose too) instead of using that space for relatively unknown, niche works. See for example here[1] some of his most iconic works that were used on Swedish stamps, only one of which is included in this article. Siawase (talk) 17:42, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the input both of you! There are so many pictures to choose from, and I will post a suggestion for alterations here as soon as possible, and if all agree on the change, then I'll do it. I'll just move carefully to not rock the boat. (Let me get a cup of tea first.^^) Most of the quarrel was about the Tuvstarr being nominated for featured picture, but at that time this article was not more than a start/stub and a better article was needed to support the pic. One editor just simply drowned the article in pictures "to make it more notable" and others opposed him. I thought it was better to expand the text. My first part of the expansion helped Tuvstarr gain featured status. If the article becomes a GA I very much doubt the conflict will flare up again as it will support the featured picture very well. :) Best, w.carter-Talk 19:28, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
@CaroleHenson:@Siawase:Ok, I'll make the switch and fix up the pic captions tomorrow so that CaroleHenson can do her editing without risking editing conflicts with me. Also it's getting late here and want to be more awake when I do serious editing. (I'll just make one more comment further up the page in a moment.) It's a pleasure working with you two! Best, w.carter-Talk 20:14, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
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Here's my working list of some questions that have come up during editing:
--CaroleHenson (talk) 23:33, 31 August 2014 (UTC @CaroleHenson:I'll just answer these questions first and then move on down the page.
Moving on down the page. w.carter-Talk 15:25, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
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Thanks, I've really liked reading this article!--CaroleHenson (talk) 00:57, 1 September 2014 (UTC) @CaroleHenson:First of all: Thank you for creating Ester Ellqvist!! That was marvelous! :) I did not know if she met the notability criteria for the English WP. Hope you don't mind if I tweak, add and fix things with it later. And so:
The pic switch prev discussed is done and captions are fixed + the citation needed are gone. I also changed the gallery setting to "perrow 5" since this will allow all the pics in one row on most modern widescreen format computers. Thanks for all your had work! Best, w.carter-Talk 16:04, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
@CaroleHenson:Ok, let's see if we can clear this up. :) I understand that you are done with the biography section, I just meant that I have to study your edits and all the WP style-things better if I am to do any further editing. In your previous statement here a small but important word got lost: "- but it would be good if ??? took a stab at some of this." I assume the missing word is "you". :) And if you just tell me what sections I should do, I'll certainly go for it. I did the citation for the exhibitions hours ago?? Are they not correct? w.carter-Talk 17:30, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
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@W.carter: I'm not meaning to press at all - please consider the following at your leisure. I felt bad about the process becoming overwhelming (and having been on the other side as a native English writer, I understand part of what you are feeling). I created Talk:John Bauer (illustrator)/work page with some suggestions / thoughts in bold and strike out to consider for a couple of the Career subjections. Again, look at this when you're ready to come back in and let me know if this is helpful. They are just suggestions for your consideration.--CaroleHenson (talk) 21:59, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
@W.carter: Great work on the changes between these versions. You've done a really good job - particularly as your edits progressed. Your tag at another conversation "the cleaner" is appropriate - I would be impressed if you were a native speaker.
I'm very impressed - really great editing!! I think I'm finally getting the distinction about timing of the introduction of modernism... I've written about it from the perspective of its early days in Paris in the 1870s and 1880s - but I'm getting the point that was among a small group of people and didn't spread til later. Perhaps a ramble and a good time to sign-off.--CaroleHenson (talk) 03:16, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Re modernism, according to the books it came later in Sweden (remember: this is the boonies) and it did not filter into the academy where Bauer studied until later. The old geezers there had the Swedish art scene in a firm grip. More about this change in Einar Jolin my other GAN (which I can now tweak, thanks to you :) ). That was the first major article I worked on. The language in it is much better since it was co-written with and edited by Philg88. Is there any way I can halt it the GAN queue until I've tweaked it? I'll sort out the above things after one more comment at Ester, a shower and dinner. Best, w.carter-Talk 17:26, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
@CaroleHenson:I will very much enjoy working with you on Einar. You are clear, concise and adjust your tempo for the newbie while at the same time getting the job done. As for time on Einar, no need to specify anything. I have some time off this weekend, so I'll probably do most of the work then.
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-- w.carter-Talk 22:28, 3 September 2014 (UTC) @W.certer: Great! I made the change to the school name, am done rereading the article, and I'm reading to close out 1a.--CaroleHenson (talk) 22:34, 3 September 2014 (UTC) |
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