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This article ought to mention LeJeune's efforts as Commandant to transform the USMC into an Amphibious fighting force. The whole story about how he suspended all classes at Marine Corps Schools at Quantico in 1922 is missing. It ought to be here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.64.0.252 (talk • contribs) 21:06 UTC, June 12, 2005

Pronunciation of surname

Please read April 2008 issue of Leatherneck Magazine. This story well documents the Luh Jern pronunciation as the incontrovertibly the proper method of respect. Sadly, the last generation has lapsed in this respect. The entire Lejeune family pronounces his name "Luh - Jern" as does over 200 descendants in Louisiana. The General also pronounced his name Luh Jern as document by the VMI school guide when he was President of the Virginia Military Institute. Most veteran Marines and commandants respect the original pronunciation.

He is considered the "Greatest Leatherneck of them all" and along with is many honors, goes the correct pronunciation of his name Luh Jern, thus honoring the name.

i.e. We Marines pronounce Colonel with an "R: Sound and we do not say Corpse for Corps. Note; See House of Lejeune by Brian Costello parish historian and direct descendant of the General. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.210.127.131 (talk) 12:58, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since a comment on this has been added twice from the same IP address, I am addressing it here. I think most/all Marines pronounce General Lejeune's name in the same manner, allowing for regional accents. I take issue with "JERN" for second syllable. See LEJEUNE entry on this page for Acadian names. — ERcheck (talk) 18:06, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In my experience as a Marine, the vast majority of Marines pronounced it "La jhoon." It was really only ever a few officers the pronounced it "luh jern" and they always made a point to say something about it. Does that make "la jhoon" the technically correct way to pronounce it? No. I was just speaking to the point of the above poster. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.254.50.63 (talk) 18:02, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps something on the page should point out how John Lejeune and his family pronounce it. I'm not sure if that should be at the point of introducing the name pronunciation or not and I'm not bold enough to add this. See [1] JordanHenderson (talk) 20:41, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On our MARINE 233 rd birthday ..........

10 November 2008

On our MARINE 233 rd birthday ..........

It would be a good moment to reiterate General Lejeune ( Luh - Jern ) birthday message and reinforce whenever possible the pronunciation of the Lejeune / Luh - Jern family name.

To paraphrase a Wisconsin Marine:

Question:

How did Camp Lejeune receive its name ??

Answer:

The base was named to honor - repeat HONOR

John Archer Lejeune ( Luh - Jern ) our 13th Commandant.

"The greatest Leatherneck of them all"

Should this honor not - require speaking the name correctly ?

When, indeed, will this pronunciation be taught & encouraged at this base - named in his honor ??

Perhaps if the base is unwilling to respect the name... the name should be changed to ??

Camp Puller ? Camp Dailey ? easier to speak ???? other ideas ???

Note:

This correct pronunciation is supported by the General's two hundred descendants, Leatherneck Magazine, Marine Times, The Scout Newspaper at Pendleton, been printed albeit unsupported at the Globe newspaper at Camp Lejeune, by historians at the National Museum and the Marine Historical Society, CMC. SMMC, Hawaii Marine Newspaper as well as the five Lejeune's descendants on active duty. By author of the House of Lejeune in Louisiana - Brian Costello and scores others to numerous to mention. Luh - Jern is incontrovertibly the correct way to speak it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.210.127.131 (talk) 13:00, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wording discrepancies of the General's Birthday Message

I've found sources that list three different versions of the general's message, all differing in one word:

The Marine Corps' 2008 printing of the original letter used the quote "and is the long eras of tranquility", which is obviously a grammatical error.^[1]
The Marine Corps' 2004 quotation of the original letter used "and in the long eras of tranquility", with "in" instead of "is", which is grammatically correct.^[2] This is the version I used in updating the article today.
A 2008 article in Leatherneck Magazine quotes it as "and [in] the long eras of tranquility", with the word "in" in brackets to indicate that it wasn't in the General's original message.^[3]

Anyone know how to determine which is correct? GCL (talk) 06:37, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lejeune is pronounced Luh jern. It is Creole French Creole

Ralph Stoney Bates USMC Ret^[4]Patrick Brent's Leatheneck article in 1998Ralynbat (talk) 19:06, 2 February 2013 (UTC)Ralph Stoney Bates Major USMC (Ret) author of A Marine Called Gabe[reply]

References

^ Lejeune, John (2008-10-06), Marine Corps Order No. 47 (Series 1921) (PDF), retrieved 2008-11-06{{citation}}: CS1 maint: date and year (link)
^ 2008 Marine Corps Birthday Ball, 2008, retrieved 2008-11-06 General John A. Lejeune's Birthday Message (PDF), 2004-10-27, retrieved 2008-11-06{{citation}}: CS1 maint: date and year (link)
^ Brent, P. T. (2008-04), "Lejeune, Lejerne, and How to Say It", Leatherneck, p. 18 {{citation}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)CS1 maint: date and year (link)
^ Laura Lejeune interview with ABC's Charles Gaddy found on utube

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John Archer Lejeune

John Archer Lejeune did not graduate from LSU with a BS degree as noted in his official Marine Corps biography.

John Archer Lejeune did not "request" to remain on as Commandant of the Marine Corps but was subsequently retired. He specifically requested relief as Commandant of the Marine Corps on 5 March 1929. He remained on active duty, requested "terminal" leave on 15 July and assumes duties as Superintendent VMI on either 1 July (according to VMI records) or 17 July (according to personal notes and his book "Reminiscences Of A Marine."

Current biographies of John Archer Lejeune continue to have these errors uncorrected.

Ralph Stoney Bates, Sr.^[1]

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^ "A Marine's Life Lejeune. Merrill Bartlett, "A Marine Called Gabe:The Life and Legend of John Archer Lejeune. Ralph Stoney Bates. Reminiscences Of A Marine." John A. Lejeune~~~~Ralph Stoney Bates, Sr.

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[1] Lejeune, John (2008-10-06), Marine Corps Order No. 47 (Series 1921) (PDF), retrieved 2008-11-06{{citation}}: CS1 maint: date and year (link)

[2] 2008 Marine Corps Birthday Ball, 2008, retrieved 2008-11-06 General John A. Lejeune's Birthday Message (PDF), 2004-10-27, retrieved 2008-11-06{{citation}}: CS1 maint: date and year (link)

[3] Brent, P. T. (2008-04), "Lejeune, Lejerne, and How to Say It", Leatherneck, p. 18 {{citation}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)CS1 maint: date and year (link)

[4] Laura Lejeune interview with ABC's Charles Gaddy found on utube

[5] "A Marine's Life Lejeune. Merrill Bartlett, "A Marine Called Gabe:The Life and Legend of John Archer Lejeune. Ralph Stoney Bates. Reminiscences Of A Marine." John A. Lejeune~~~~Ralph Stoney Bates, Sr.

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