Talk:Joey DeMaio

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you forgot to mention that he is a God of True Metal

Oh, really? :) Geevee (talk|contribs) 17:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know about his PhD in musicology? It's mentioned in [1]. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.165.235.32 (talk) 18:49, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Real estate?

What's up with the real estate thing? Never heard about it, so looks like vandalism to me and I can't find any immediate confirmation from Google. Until somebody gives a source for that, I'm removing it. Vytzka 14:34, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Equipment

Should the article reflect DeMaio's unorthodox equipment? In an in-depth interview/article regarding his setup, his equipment was highlighted, and a notable thing was his choice for using piccolo basses with Octaver effect pedals. (For the un-initiated; a piccolo bass is tuned as a "normal" bass, but an octave higher. This also means considerably lighter strings, allowing a "guitar-like" approach to the playing.) An Octaver pedal then lowers the piccolo instrument's output back down an octave, giving the strange instrument a range corresponding with a normally stringed (and tuned) bass guitar. Further, the bridges of the basses were considerably narrower models, arranging the strings in a configuration almost exactly like a guitar. This is clearly visible in many pictures depicting his instruments, for instance here. Practically, this make the instrument more like a "four string guitar" than an actual bass guitar, allowing his distinctive playing style. For what it's worth, it is not a bass guitar. I can't enter the information into the article, b/c I cannot for the life of me remember where I read the article. If anyone finds the relevant source, please add the above. To be honest, I can't be bothered. ;) --Tirolion 10:01, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Notability

DeMaio is not notable independent of his band. Per Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band". If you disagree, please demonstrate how he is independently notable. Otherwise, I will be redirecting the article to the band. - SummerPhD (talk) 16:58, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I think he is definitely notable outside of his band, he is the founder and CEO of magic circle music, a company that have some very popular artists on it, also he has several notable accomplishments, including being a member of the order of Malta, and numerous appearances on German TV. I think the article needs to be improved (Like laid out better and improved references) but I don't think it should meet the criteria for deletion.--Will Decay (talk) 19:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Founding Magic Circle Music (not cited, BTW) does not make him notable. It seems that is fully covered by lines to that effect in the article on the label. The artists on the label certainly speak to the notability of the label. Being "a member of the order of Malta" (not cited, BTW) does not establish notability. "Numerous appearances on German TV" (not cited, BTW) do not establish notability. What does establish notability would be substantial coverage of his activities outside of the band in independent reliable sources. Otherwise, he merits mention (perhaps a brief section) in the article on the band, per notability guidelines. - SummerPhD (talk) 13:24, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

"What does establish notability would be substantial coverage of his activities outside of the band in independent reliable sources" Well I have added sources to the followiing statements of his actions outside the band. Him being in the order of the knights of Malta, him being manager of Rhapsody, him being producer for HolyHell, him founding a record label not to mention several personal bits of info. (childhood friends and martial arts and stuff)

If you feel that managing a band, producing a different band as well as founding a record label (independent of Manowar) isn't actions outside his band then feel free to add the tag for deletion as I have removed it.--Will Decay (talk) 16:19, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

As of now, the article has 8 sources.

1. 1 shows he cofounded the band. As previously discussed, this does not establish notability independent of the band.
2. 2 is from the record label he founded for his band. I don't believe this is really independent of the band, but it doesn't matter. The source is the record label, so it is not an independent source. Every corporation believes their founder is notable.
3. 3 is an article about the band, mentioning that he was a childhood friend of another member. This does nothing for notability of the individuals.
4. 4 is an article, in a non-reliable source, about the band, not a reliable source talking about the individual independent of the band.
5. 5 is a blog, not a reliable source.
6. 6 is a website for an organization the article says he belongs to. The page cited doesn't say that he is a member and his membership would not make him notable.
7. 7 is an article about the band, not him. It mentions, in passing that he "became the manager of Rhapsody". Again, this is not significant press coverage about him independent of the band. And the source, is it reliable? Well, their "About us" page says "Content coming soon" which means they certainly don't have an established track record for fact checking. Not a reliable source about the individual independent of the band.
8. 8 is cited to show that he is the producer of another band. The actual page cited, though, seems to show that he is a member of SMOM. Again, his membership does nothing to establish notability. The page shows a picture of him with a single line about Manowar. The site is far from being reliable.

I am restoring the tags. If you feel that you have presented cites demonstrating notability independent of the band through substantial coverage in independent reliable sources, I would ask that you leave the tags intact for a brief time to see if anyone else can provide what you have not. If, after some time, I don't see something more, I'll take it to AfD, with a recommendation to redirect to the band's page. - SummerPhD (talk) 18:19, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I can see that some of those sources werent great so I will take them in turn.

1 shows he cofounded the band. As previously discussed, this does not establish notability independent of the band.

I never said it did, but it is a source

2 is from the record label he founded for his band. I don't believe this is really independent of the band, but it doesn't matter. The source is the record label, so it is not an independent source. Every corporation believes their founder is notable.

I never said that the article made him out to be notable, however he DID found it, and it doesn't matter that the source is from their own website, its a fact that he founded a relatively successful record label.

3 is an article about the band, mentioning that he was a childhood friend of another member. This does nothing for notability of the individuals.

Again, this is a source, nothing notable, just something about his life.

4 is an article, in a non-reliable source, about the band, not a reliable source talking about the individual independent of the band.

I added another source here, he worked as a pyro tech for black sabbath, ANY Manowar article says the same thing so please tell me what is and is not reliable there.

5 is a blog, not a reliable source.

I didn't realise it was a blog, sorry.

6 is a website for an organization the article says he belongs to. The page cited doesn't say that he is a member and his membership would not make :::::him notable.

I added 2 additional references, yes one of them is from Manowar's own website however coupled with 2 other independent sources, its fairly obvious that its true.

7 is an article about the band, not him. It mentions, in passing that he "became the manager of Rhapsody". Again, this is not significant press :::::coverage about him independent of the band. And the source, is it reliable? Well, their "About us" page says "Content coming soon" which means they

certainly don't have an established track record for fact checking. Not a reliable source about the individual independent of the band.

I changed the source for this, he was manager for Rhapsody, that is just a fact. I can try find another source if you like.

8 is cited to show that he is the producer of another band. The actual page cited, though, seems to show that he is a member of SMOM. Again, his :::::membership does nothing to establish notability. The page shows a picture of him with a single line about Manowar. The site is far from being reliable.

Yeah, that was my bad, I pasted the same thing in again, I have added an interview with a member of HolyHell, I think that would be reliable enough.

As I have said, sourced or not I think founding a record label, managing a very commercially successful band as well as producing another band meets notability for me anyway.--Will Decay (talk) 19:15, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

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