Talk:Joel Diamond
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Copyright problem removed
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Grammy
[edit]The article says "He has twice been nominated for a Grammy Award ..."
Not so fast. First, the only cite for this is Diamond's own web page. I cannot find any WP:RS that gives any detail on this. A lot of puff pieces refer to him as being twice nominated for a grammy, but that probably comes from Diamond or a publicist.
On his web site itself ([1]); the site has changed since this was cited in 2011) says something rather different: "After The Lovin'," a 100% owned Diamond copyright, was nominated twice for a Grammy... (And I see on archive.org that this is pretty much what was on his bio page being cited in 2011: [2]).
And looking at the Grammy records, that's not quite true, either: 1) the album (not the song) "After the Lovin' was nominated for a Grammy; not Diamond [3]. 2) The Barbara Mandrell country cover of the song was nominated for a Grammy [4]; again with no mention of Diamond.
So Diamond's claim isn't that he was Grammy-nominated; it's that a property he owns was. And in any event that's wrong, too, because while his site claims the song that he says he owns was nominated twice, in reality it was nominated once; and an album of the same name (whose copyright he very well may hold, too, but there's no support for that anywhere) was also nominated.
This is all so fishy and vague I'm striking the claim that Diamond was nominated for a Grammy. TJRC (talk) 06:21, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- You are correct in your assessment. He is a fraud and was recently sued by recording artist Gloria Gaynor and Baywatch songwriter Robin Randall for $2 million plus damages for intentional malfeasance, including fraud, copyright infringement and non-payment of royalties. I know of several people who have tried to add this information to his page in order to warn other songwriters and artists from working with him. They even cited the many news articles reporting the story, but it keeps deleting the edits. Why is this? 205.155.236.243 (talk) 22:22, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- How is he being protected from the TRUTH being added to his page? 205.155.236.243 (talk) 22:30, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Marriage
[edit]Joel Diamond was married July 5, 1992 to Andrea Lee Pollman with whom he had a daughter born October 23, 1992, Briana Rosalind Diamond. They divorced in the early 2000’s. Monica Prescott (talk) 18:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Lawsuit
[edit]https://nypost.com/2024/08/10/us-news/i-will-survive-diva-gloria-gaynor-sues-ex-producer-for-2m/ Monica Prescott (talk) 18:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
Lawsuit
[edit]https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/i-survive-singer-gloria-gaynor-suing-ex-producer-2-million-alleging-suppressed-payments.amp Monica Prescott (talk) 18:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Monica Prescott I reverted your edit because it did not belong in the lead and we must be very careful about adhering to Wikipedia's Biographies of living people and Neutral point of view policies. Also, tabloids like the NY Post are not reliable sources so cannot be used. The FOX one is fine. I will make an update to the article to include the suit in a neutral manner but it might tomorrow. I'd like to find another mainstream media source that has written about it. If you have one, please share it but check WP:RSP first (note the entry for NY Post WP:NYPOST). S0091 (talk) 19:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- The story is everywhere now; even law.com. I will send you several so that you have options from which to choose:
- https://tribune.com.pk/story/2487521/gloria-gaynor-sues-ex-producer-joel-diamond-for-2m-over-i-will-survive-copyright-claims?amp=1
- https://www.geo.tv/latest/558855-gloria-gaynor-slaps-producer-joel-diamond-with-legal-notice
- https://www.pennlive.com/entertainment/2024/08/disco-era-icon-sues-former-producer-for-2-million.html?outputType=amp
- https://uk.news.yahoo.com/case-missed-gloria-gaynor-sues-203000199.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAK6O1_MUFaZ2cRcSfZyRGM719jqWagim5FYyC2NnLFODeimJb9EOnbJYprwXR69PlvT_9c6X68CBzYXE5cVanbIMtNaaXKaqMEegxrvS-AVTKHMUN-bovPwr27oG6Je5EaKPS7j1VHUCygRhCPN5nmTekRWhEztRfOFB7-EId8og
- https://www.geo.tv/latest/558855-gloria-gaynor-slaps-producer-joel-diamond-with-legal-notice
- https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/12164669/gloria-gaynor-sues-former-producer-contract-breach-lawsuit/amp/
- https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/gloria-gaynor-sues-music-producer-for-copyright-infringement-breach-of-contract1/
- Business ethics which take advantage of the talented ones in the industry, gives the music business a bad name. Artists, songwriters, musicians, and composers should be warned. Monica Prescott (talk) 19:59, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @Monica Prescott. Most of those are not reliable and they pretty much say the same as FOX (see churnalism) so will stick with it. I have a added the lawsuit to the article. Like most civil suits it will likely be handled outside of court so doubt much else will be said about it. S0091 (talk) 20:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)