Talk:Joe's Garage/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Viriditas (talk · contribs) 10:40, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I will be reviewing this article in the next few days with completion scheduled for sometime around Tuesday, April 24. Viriditas (talk) 10:40, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Not yet complete. Review still in progress... Viriditas (talk) 00:34, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Review complete. Viriditas (talk) 04:10, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Infobox

• Recorded March — June 1979 at Village Recorders "B", LA
  • This will probably need a citation as the sources show conflicting dates for the recording. The official site lists "April-June".[1] Viriditas (talk) 03:45, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
    • OK, it appears that the discrepancy arises from the inclusion of previous tracks that were recorded in March 1979. Viriditas (talk) 06:47, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Lead

• The album is noted for its unique recording techniques, which include Xenochrony, a technique invented by Zappa
  • Xenochrony should appear in lower-case letters, no?
• gives all of his money to a government assisted but insincere religion, explores unusual sexual activities with appliances, and is imprisoned.
  • Should it say, "and explores unusual sexual activities with appliances for which he is imprisoned"? Wasn't that why he went to jail? "You have just destroyed one model XQJ-37 Nuclear Powered Pan- Sexual Roto-Plooker And you're gonna have to pay for it! So give up, you haven't got a chance..." Viriditas (talk) 11:40, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Style and influences

• The glaring absence of any discussion of the "Crew Slut" track is an obvious omission due to its controversial nature. Since the sources cover this track and make note of not just the theme but its slide guitar and harmonica playing, an effort needs to be made to add this back into the article. I realize that it is difficult to write about controversial content, but this is a notable track.
  • Primary contributor has since fixed this. Viriditas (talk) 05:26, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

• The concepts of the album derived from recent Iranian censorship of music
  • This needs to specifically reference the Iranian Revolution, in particular, censorship in Iran. Viriditas (talk) 10:45, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
    • Done. Viriditas (talk) 21:40, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
• The album concludes with a long guitar instrumental, "A Watermelon in Easter Hay"
  • Since Zappa himself (and reviewers) consider this a signature song, more needs to be said about it.[2][3] Viriditas (talk) 12:12, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Zappa told BBC Radio 1 in 1982 that the real title was "Playing A Guitar Solo With This Band Is Like Trying To Grow A Watermelon In Easter Hay".[4] Viriditas (talk) 11:49, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Reception and legacy

• For his performance on Joe's Garage, Vinnie Colaiuta was named "the most technically advanced drummer ever" by Modern Drummer, which ranked the album as one of the top 25 greatest drumming performances of all time.
  • Isn't this notable enough to be briefly mentioned, in some form or another, in the lead section? Viriditas (talk) 12:26, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Track listing

• There appears to be a history of different track titles and the article needs to make note of it. Compare with the track listing on the official site, noting that "Wet T-Shirt Night" has become "Fembot In A Wet T-Shirt", and "Toad-O Line" has been changed to "On the Bus". See also the original track title of "A Watermelon In Easter Hay" above. The article also fails to mention that the album had the working title "Arrogant Mop" before the concept was nailed down. Viriditas (talk) 03:50, 28 April 2012

Also the song "Joe's Garage" which had frequent airplay on the radio deserves it's own article. As well as articles for "Catholic Girls" and "Watermelon In Easter Hay"

(UTC)

• • My mistake, most of the track title discussion is in the reception section, however there is still nothing about "A Watermelon In Easter Hay" and an "Arrogant Mop". Viriditas (talk)

References

• Formatting in progress...
  • Issues with citing page numbers...
    • Courrier (2002) needs page numbers...

Checklist

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   Prose flow and narrative is weakened by a poor synopsis and lack of coherent presentation of characters (Joe, Mary, etc.)

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   Sourcing requires cleanup. Books should have the names of authors and dates of publication; page numbers appear to be needed in several spots.

   Recording dates require inline citation as the sources conflict in at least one instance.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   Minor issues with broad narrative (for example, it doesn't mention Mary was Joe's girlfriend) and it fails to mention "A Watermelon in Easter Hay" is one of Zappa's signature songs

   Fails to note the different track titles and any history behind it, as well as the original working title of the album.

   Surely, there must be something more to say about the theatrical production?

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   Not bad, but minor concerns about missing elements, track titles, source formatting, and at least one missing citation.

   Passed after several attempts at cleanup, filling in the blanks, and verifying the source material. Nominator was blocked as a sock puppet, so I had to either clean it up myself or fail it, and I chose the former. Viriditas (talk) 05:47, 14 May 2012 (UTC)